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Are they really stealing our sketchs?

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I put this in Urgent Help because I am working on one that I want to finish today. OK...so they are stealing our data to create AVM databases - this is what I am learning. It really hit home the other night when at our Richmond Appraiser's dinner someone said they are taking our sketches. Like many of you, I take pride in my sketches.. they are the closest I will come to being an 'artist' (Ha Ha)

I know this is probably a waste of time but what say ye if I put the following slp dab right on the Sketch itself (pain in the *** thru APEX) but doable:

This sketch is the property of CIV ,the Company she works for and the user intended for this specific transaction. Permission for reuse of this sketch in a future appraisal or automated valuation of this subject property is hereby denied without express written permission of CIV, Company and user herein described.

or something like that.. this makes me so mad I can't see straight - I know someone will refer me to another thread where this was discussed..so shoot me in the head!
NO this is not going to an AMC and it is not going thru any portal ...straight PDF but I am hearing they can easily *******ize PDF these days.
 

c w d

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Your sketch is your data. So why would it be any different than stealing your data? It's not.
 

Brad Ellis

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Conservative,

Not only are they NOT stealing your sketches but they are not mining your appraisal for AVM data either- at least no one other than Freddie Mac (IF they are doing it).

Many assessors offices use the same or similar sketching software as you use.

Brad
 

Lawrence R.

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Conservative,

Not only are they NOT stealing your sketches but they are not mining your appraisal for AVM data either- at least no one other than Freddie Mac (IF they are doing it).

Many assessors offices use the same or similar sketching software as you use.

Brad

Don't drink the water Brad is offering you on this...I don't buy that for a second. They do mine them, all the time. Why not? do you think they just read the bottom of page 2 and throw them away? Hell no. They paid for it, it's theirs, they can do what they want with them.

Right Brad?

Edited to add: If they don't, they have missed a golden opportunity....if they don't mine appraisals, how DO the AVM's get their data?
 
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Not only are they NOT stealing your sketches but they are not mining your appraisal for AVM data either- at least no one other than Freddie Mac (IF they are doing it).

This is about as believable as the good Senator stating that he had no idea he was getting preferential treatment from Mozillo when Countrywide had business pending before his very own senate banking committee....

todd
 

Caligirl

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Terrel L. Shields

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You have a text tool on your sketcher right?

Text it where it cannot be cropped out "Copyright by J. Appraiser @ yahoo . com"

Someone sooner or later will email you about a sketch if this is happening...
 

Bama Bayou

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I used to be an AVM developer and I can assure you that no AVM is data mining for sketches or stripping any other data from your reports. It would be too cumbersome, expensive, and time consuming. It just does not work that way.

AVM vendors generally use tax assessor data for the physical description of the subject and the comparable sales. The sales data usually comes from the same type of sources such as assessor or probate records, just depends.

At least one AVM vendor (the one I used to work with) uses MLS data when possible. They have a guy who is certified in just about every state and he is a member of about 1000 MLSs.

This is an old conspiracy theory that has been going on for about twenty years. The AVM vendors do not want or need data from your appraisal reports.

We used to laugh when people would ask us if we were mining appraisal reports.
 

444nutman

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I would say half the counties I do appraisals in have a sketch in public record. They are right about half the time and they all round their dimensions to the nearest foot and do not do angles. I did a review on one where the original appraiser used the county sketch which was 500 sf to large. The owner submitted plans but changed them for the second story addition which decreaed the square footage. Since my value was lower of course I was wrong. The owner admitted as such and the second appraiser never got any more work from that lender. When owners tell me the last appraiser was only there 5 minutes and did not measure anything like I did, I know they used the county sketch.
 

Bobby Bucks

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This makes the case for what I've been advocating for years. Give the client the bare fannie required box/rectangle with no lines or icons, who would waste their time stealing that?
 
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