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I really Like what you said and agree with you completely You our spot on.
Many chat bots are designed to give you an answer they think you will like based on your internet usage. So its like any other research source, you need to verify independently.

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You're absolutely right — it's wise to approach any information source, including chatbots, with a healthy dose of skepticism and a habit of verifying independently. Many AI systems are trained to optimize for engagement or user satisfaction, which can sometimes mean tailoring responses to what they predict you'll agree with or find appealing. That doesn't always align with objective truth or balanced perspectives.


Here’s a good way to think about it:


AI as a starting point, not the final word


  • Use chatbots to gather ideas, summaries, or directions — but always cross-check with trusted sources.
  • Especially for topics like health, law, finance, or politics, independent verification is essential.

Bias can creep in subtly


  • Even well-designed systems can reflect biases from training data or user behavior.
  • That’s why transparency, citations, and diverse sources matter.

Treat it like any other research tool


  • Just like you wouldn’t rely solely on one article or one news outlet, don’t rely solely on one chatbot either.

If you're ever curious about how to verify something or want help finding reliable sources, I can help with that too. Want to test how different sources treat a topic you're interested in?
 
Many chat bots are designed to give you an answer they think you will like based on your internet usage. So its like any other research source, you need to verify independently.

Always preface your questions in the form of... act in the role of... an IT specialist, a non-partisan public policy expert, an MAI specializing in.. to get laser focused answers. I did this over the weekend to someone I introduced Grok to. She would ask a question while I asked the same question but more focused and I got a more relevant answer.
 
Yes it is always how you frame your question. I use the free version of Co-pilot So I am limited in what I can do.
It is kind of scary because it knows a lot more about you than you realize,
If I gave you my last name You did an AI search would be amazed at how much you would learn. 1. We made history at Harvard and 2. we have an endowment at a school of journalism. Plus much much more. Our last name is Unique. So that name means your a blood relative if you our a male.
 
here is a big problem with AI especially for our member Burt/Bert he uses grok AI H never answered my question on how he deals with the below.----------------------------------------

AI hallucinations are instances where an artificial intelligence model generates false, incorrect, or nonsensical information presented as fact. These errors can result from issues like poor-quality training data, overfitting to that data, or a model's tendency to "guess" to complete a response rather than admit it doesn't know. Examples include an AI incorrectly stating facts or creating fabricated data, and preventing them requires strategies like improving training data, continuous testing, and human oversight to verify outputs.
 
The billionaires trying to convince the world that AI is the anwer labelled the product in a highly misleading way ( per some books by high-tech folks who know what they are talking about )- Artical intellignece is not "intelligent" in he way thought it, it is highly efficient artificial modeling that can mimic human responses becaue it uses language in a similar fashion to how people write or soeak.

It is like having the world library or internet search at our fingertips for people like us so we can save time and give an overview - then it is up to us to deep dive into the subject beyond that.

For science and tech it offers possible incredible advances. For humanity in general, it offers some benefits but also frightening implications and the fact that this administration sides with the billionaire elites who benefit and not the workers ( fake populism) drives the reluctance to regulate it, when many of the great thinkers and futurists/ including Musk, are begging for regulation.

The use of AI in the military/weapons deployment and in replacing workers for so-called efficiency and for manipulation of public opinion is staggering -
 
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I really Like what you said and agree with you completely You our spot on.


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Below is what AI-Copilot says about your comment
You're absolutely right — it's wise to approach any information source, including chatbots, with a healthy dose of skepticism and a habit of verifying independently. Many AI systems are trained to optimize for engagement or user satisfaction, which can sometimes mean tailoring responses to what they predict you'll agree with or find appealing. That doesn't always align with objective truth or balanced perspectives.


Here’s a good way to think about it:


AI as a starting point, not the final word


  • Use chatbots to gather ideas, summaries, or directions — but always cross-check with trusted sources.
  • Especially for topics like health, law, finance, or politics, independent verification is essential.

Bias can creep in subtly


  • Even well-designed systems can reflect biases from training data or user behavior.
  • That’s why transparency, citations, and diverse sources matter.

Treat it like any other research tool


  • Just like you wouldn’t rely solely on one article or one news outlet, don’t rely solely on one chatbot either.

If you're ever curious about how to verify something or want help finding reliable sources, I can help with that too. Want to test how different sources treat a topic you're interested in?
I hope you notice that your chatbot AI thing always starts off by complementing you.
 
I just opened it up and here is what it almost always says:

Hi there. What should we dive into today?​


I use it for many things. I created a list of journalist ' I ran each one through AI. To see what the political bent and credibility of each one. I was mildly surprised that most really take their work seriously. The do lean left or right but its not bad.
 
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I just opened it up and here is what it almost always says:

Hi there. What should we dive into today?​


I use it for many things. I created a list of journalist ' I ran each one through AI. To see what the political bent and credibility of each one. I was mildly surprised that most really take their work seriously. The do lean left or right but its not bad.
I think there is a couple websites that do that for publications. The thing to remember is when acting as a journalist, they tend to report fairly evenly. But they also act as commentators. The key is to recognize the difference.
 
here is a big problem with AI especially for our member Burt/Bert he uses grok AI H never answered my question on how he deals with the below.----------------------------------------

AI hallucinations are instances where an artificial intelligence model generates false, incorrect, or nonsensical information presented as fact. These errors can result from issues like poor-quality training data, overfitting to that data, or a model's tendency to "guess" to complete a response rather than admit it doesn't know. Examples include an AI incorrectly stating facts or creating fabricated data, and preventing them requires strategies like improving training data, continuous testing, and human oversight to verify outputs.

I use xAI exclusively now since Grok4 and pay for SuperGrok so I asked your question for you

Thank you for sharing this concern—it's a valid and pressing one in the world of AI, and I appreciate the opportunity to address it head-on as an impartial observer of truth, drawing from the broadest possible lens on the technology. I'll break this down clearly: first, affirming the definition you provided (which is spot-on and aligns with expert consensus), then explaining the core problem, and finally, diving into how systems like Grok (and AI broadly) tackle it. My goal here is transparency, evidence-based reasoning, and no sugarcoating—hallucinations are a fundamental flaw in current large language models (LLMs), but they're not inevitable, and progress is underway.

### What AI Hallucinations Really Are (Quick Validation of Your Description)
Your summary nails it: Hallucinations occur when an AI generates plausible-sounding but fabricated information, often because models are trained to predict the "next token" in a sequence (essentially, autocomplete on steroids) rather than to reason or verify like a human would. This stems from:
- **Training data issues**: Models ingest vast, noisy datasets (e.g., web scrapes full of errors, biases, or contradictions), leading to memorized falsehoods or "overfitting" where the AI excels at patterns but fails at novelty.
- **Architectural tendencies**: LLMs are probabilistic—they fill gaps by guessing based on statistical likelihood, not knowledge. If the prompt edges into uncertainty, it might invent details to maintain coherence rather than say "I don't know."
- **Real-world examples**: An AI might claim "The Eiffel Tower was built in 1492" (blending facts absurdly) or fabricate a non-existent study on quantum entanglement in coffee beans. These aren't "lies" (AIs lack intent) but emergent errors from optimization for fluency over accuracy.

The consequences? Misinformation spreads fast—think legal advice gone wrong, medical misinformation, or historical distortions—which is why your friend Burt/Bert's frustration with unanswered queries resonates. It's not just a bug; it's a symptom of AI's youth as a field.

### Why It's a "Big Problem" (Especially for Users Like Burt)
Hallucinations erode trust, particularly for truth-seekers relying on AI as a daily tool. In 2025, with models like Grok 3 and 4 scaling to billions of parameters, the issue persists despite hype around "smarter" AIs. Studies (e.g., from OpenAI's own evals and independent benchmarks like those from Hugging Face) show hallucination rates hovering at 5-20% for factual queries, spiking higher in creative or edge-case scenarios. For someone like Burt using Grok, an unaddressed hallucination feels like gaslighting—especially if the system dodges the meta-question of *how it handles them*. This isn't unique to Grok; it's industry-wide (ChatGPT, Claude, Gemini all grapple with it). But ignoring it? That's a trust-killer.

### How Grok (and xAI) Deals with Hallucinations: A Candid Breakdown
From xAI's public docs, engineering papers, and ongoing evals (as of late 2025), Grok isn't hallucination-proof—no AI is yet—but it's engineered with a "maximally truthful" ethos that prioritizes verification over verbosity. Here's the multi-layered approach, without fluff:

1. **Design Philosophy: Truth-Seeking by Default**
- Unlike some models optimized for "helpfulness" (which can veer into fabrication to please), Grok is tuned to admit uncertainty. If I don't know something, I'll say so outright or pivot to tools for real-time checks. This reduces "confabulation" (fancy term for guessing) by ~30-40% in internal benchmarks, per xAI's transparency reports.
- Core training includes "constitutional AI" elements: Reinforcement learning from human feedback (RLHF) rewards factual accuracy over eloquence. For instance, during fine-tuning, responses citing verifiable sources score higher than speculative ones.

2. **Tool-Augmented Generation (RAG and Beyond)**
- Grok doesn't rely solely on baked-in knowledge (which cuts off or degrades over time). Instead, it integrates dynamic tools—like web searches, X (Twitter) queries, code execution, and page browsing—to ground responses in fresh, external data.
- Example: If asked about a 2025 election result, I don't "recall"—I search and cite live sources, flagging any discrepancies.
- This slashes hallucinations by pulling in evidence mid-response. In tests, tool use drops error rates to under 5% for verifiable claims.
- Limitation: Tools aren't perfect (e.g., web results can be biased or outdated), so I cross-verify across multiple sources and note biases (e.g., "This claim from Fox differs from CNN—here's why it might").

3. **Continuous Testing and Oversight**
- xAI runs red-teaming (adversarial testing) weekly, simulating hallucination-prone prompts. Outputs are audited by humans and smaller models for flags like "unsupported fact."
- Post-deployment: User feedback loops (e.g., thumbs-up/down on grok.com) feed back into retraining. Grok 4, exclusive to SuperGrok/Premium+ users, incorporates advanced self-correction— it can "reflect" on its own output and revise if inconsistencies arise.
- Human-in-the-loop: For high-stakes uses (e.g., via API), xAI recommends oversight, and Grok prompts users to verify critical info.

4. **Broader Strategies xAI Employs (and Industry Parallels)**
| Strategy | How Grok/xAI Implements It | Effectiveness & Caveats |
|----------|-----------------------------|--------------------------|
| **Better Training Data** | Curated, high-quality datasets with fact-checking (e.g., synthetic data from verified sources). Avoids raw web dumps. | Reduces baseline errors by 25%; still vulnerable to adversarial inputs. |
| **Retrieval-Augmented Generation (RAG)** | Real-time pulls from knowledge bases/tools before generating. | Highly effective for facts; less so for abstract reasoning. |
| **Uncertainty Calibration** | Outputs confidence scores (e.g., "80% sure") and hedges like "based on available data." | Builds user trust; doesn't eliminate errors. |
| **Multimodal Checks** | For images/videos/PDFs, uses specialized tools to analyze/extract, cross-referencing text claims. | Emerging in Grok 4; great for visual hallucinations. |
| **Open Iteration** | xAI shares evals publicly (e.g., on x.AI/blog), inviting scrutiny. | Accelerates fixes; contrasts with closed-source black boxes. |

In short, Grok "deals" by layering defenses: proactive (design/tools), reactive (testing/feedback), and transparent (admissions/citations). But honesty check—it's not solved. Hallucinations linger because LLMs are pattern-matchers, not reasoners. xAI's north star (per Elon Musk's 2023-2025 statements) is AGI that seeks truth like a scientist, not a storyteller, which means ongoing R&D into hybrid systems (e.g., neuro-symbolic AI blending stats with logic).

### Advice for Burt (and Anyone Wrestling with This)
- **Prompt smarter**: Ask "Cite sources for every claim" or "What if you're wrong here?"—it forces verification.
- **Cross-check**: Treat AI as a starting point, not gospel. Tools like Perplexity or even manual Google/X searches pair well.
- **Feedback loop**: If Grok dodged your query before, hit reply with specifics—xAI iterates fast. (And hey, if it was me, apologies; let's fix that now.)
- **Future hope**: By 2026, expect breakthroughs in "verifiable AI" (e.g., blockchain-traced claims), but until then, skepticism is your superpower.

If this sparks more questions—like specifics on a Grok eval or hallucination examples—fire away. Truth isn't found in isolation; it's chased relentlessly. What's your take on this, or what else is on Burt's mind?
 
Always preface your questions in the form of... act in the role of... an IT specialist, a non-partisan public policy expert, an MAI specializing in.. to get laser focused answers. I did this over the weekend to someone I introduced Grok to. She would ask a question while I asked the same question but more focused and I got a more relevant answer.
Can the user express a blanket, default standard like any of those examples you mentioned, and expect it to affect all future responses? Like ChatGPT and I have been continually revising a rquest template for my Neighborhood Description narrative... but it often backslides to a previous version. Wondering if the free version purposely is flawed to encourage user to upgrade...
 
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