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Interest rates and velocity

Private sector velocity and public sector velocity of money ..... if interest rates rise .... public spending for services will be slashed and will be used for debt service .....

...any rise in interest rates will have a catastrophic effect on velocity of money in both private and public sector ......

... weighting velocity is really where the rubber meets the road IMO ..... high velocity in the hands of a few and slow velocity in the hands of the many is the cruks of the problem ....

..... insurmountable federal debt calcifies the ability of a currency to have the same kind of flexible velocity it had .... say 30 years ago (during the Reagan era) .....


.... we can no longer get money to work for the masses like it used to ....
 
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What variable should be included that is not shown here?
 
Forget graphs . the dollar can no longer carry blood

I remember calculating V1 as Freshman in college 1981 - Dr. Denslow was my macro economics teacher - by the way he just retired - his last speech he gave the other day .... he said ... "expect higher taxes" - whether he said expect lower spending on government services - I do not know ..... to me he was a smart man who offerred any narrative for the moment - a victim of Keynesian zombie cult flesh

... of the entire history of the world reserve currency - the dollar .... has never had to service an unsustainable interest rate .... to raise rates now would simply cause fewer and fewer dollars to chase goods and services .... M1 and M2 can go up and up ... but velocity would continue to fall....

.... we have no room left with the dollar universe .... your graphs show correlations that will no longer correlate with the same tendency ....

....graphs are nice to look at , but what is driving the mechanics of velocity is the ability of that dollar to carry red blood cells to the host ......

... the driver of any currency is its ability to deliver nourishment to not just the (heart and brain - Stocks - concentrated investment) .... but to the 300 million consumers that need money to spend ...

.... all the ambient life of the dollar is gone ... it was sacrificed in 2008 to now .....

.... maybe it was sacrificed 5000 years ago ....

...eventually ruling classes run out of money and perception

... Interest rates could be raised to reduce inflation in the past ...

.... but now any rate increase in rates ends the entire game

...thats why m1 or m2 or mzmv ...... no longer mean much .....

...fewer and fewer of those m1's are getting to Joe Public

... Joe Public still thinks Sam Government has things under control

...Joe Public will not have any m1 when rate increase occurrs

... if rates increase ....taxes go up to chase debt that can not be caught ....... governemnt debt continues to rise faster than government services can be cut

... your velocity correlation with interest rates no longer work when every dollar has to chase every burden but consumption

... a post consumption dollar will not have the same correlation IMO
 
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... your velocity correlation with interest rates no longer work when every dollar has to chase every burden but consumption

... a post consumption dollar will not have the same correlation IMO

The true correlation to the velocity of money, pre-2008 crash, is inflation. The FED uses the FED FUNDS rate to execute higher interest rates based upon cooling down inflation. At what cost? Higher unemployment; businesses respond by not holding or producing inventory and people are induced to save (higher interest rates results in deferred spending as people choose to not spend realizing a benefit of future spending power).

So there is a trade off with higher interest rates and unemployment and the benefit is lower inflation as spending falls.

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is the velocity of money for all transactions.

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is the nominal value of aggregate transactions.

M is the total amount of money in circulation on average in the economy.

The short hand way of calculating V is to divide the GDP by M.

If people are fearful of the economy they want to hold Cash or cash equivalents. They aren’t going to put money in a CD or long term holding. They want it readily available. So that if they lose their job or run into a credit crunch they will have the cash they need to continue living their lives.

In the chart below we see the velocity of money using the M1 money supply. The grey shaded areas are official recessions and you can see that during these periods the velocity of money is shrinking. Interestingly during those periods GDP and the money supply itself can also be shrinking. The GDP of course might shrink because demand for goods decreases due to people holding onto their money longer. But as people default on their debts or pay them off the money supply itself might shrink but that would probably be longer term money rather than M1 so that is another reason why using M1 might be the best indicator.

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Strictly speaking all the velocity of money tells us is how long people actually hold onto their money. But from that we can infer their motives and perceptions of their personal finances and on a broader scale the economy in general.

If people are fearful for their jobs they will want to hold more cash and thus the velocity of money will fall. If on the other hand, they feel “flush with cash” they will spend it faster. But there are other reasons people spend cash quickly. The primary one is that they fear inflation. So rather than feeling rich a high velocity may also indicate a fear of the value of their money depreciating quickly. A perfect example of this would be during the Hyperinflation in Weimar Germany between 1921 and 1923. During this time inflation got so bad that people would pay for their meal before the meal because if they waited until the end it would cost more. This is the ultimate in money velocity where people rush out to spend the money because holding it for a few minutes longer might cause it to lose additional value.

We can tell that the economy is not rebounding. In 2009 the velocity of money picked up a little bit. People were induced to spend and thinking that the recession was over and the economy would improve and so they began to spend a little bit more. This could have been the result of the QE1 stimulus and cash for clunker, and tax credits for buying a house and green energy improvements. Not much in exchange for a Trillion dollars worth of debt. But the current fall indicates that people are not convinced that the recession is over and that they would once again rather hold cash than spend it. It also indicates that people are not afraid of inflation, at least in the short term they still want to hold onto their cash.
 
Velocity of money upstream verses downstream

Randolph,

...maybe I should say Professor Kinney, ....

.. you seem to have a grasp of things - what puzzels me is this - and perhaps you or someone here could explain this too me succintly ..

..continue budget resolutions since 2008 has allowed an annual additional stimulus of 800 billion a year to be funneled into fiscal spending .....

... with all these huge spending years ....where is all that money on the street? --- why is velocity so low?

.... my thinking is that it never hit the street for Joe Smoe ..... it trickeled into inflated stock prices for one ....

.... and all that spending ... I guess it was mostly the FED buying Treasuries back from itself .... to lower interest rates artificially .....

.... back in the Volker days ... we a had a real estate market that had not yet been pumped up with funny money ..... so the Joe Smoes could find fast M1 through the real estate sector ... now that is gone ...

.... the latest chatter I keep hearing are terms like "Randist" .... or "Objectivist" .... labels used by a super-state to misinform people about pragmatism itself .......

... all that spending for the past 4 years never helped M1 ....... I am convinced that M1 has split itself more pronounced into two sub-parts ...


..... Is velocity moving very fast upstream and barely moving downstream? ...

...with an overall average that is enemic ...

.... I am just saying downstream velocity is not the same kind of downstream velocity during the Volker days ....

....Randolph, I believe overall velocity is low ..... because Joe Smoe has no access to capital ..... because money men won't let it go ......

... and when money men won't let it go ........

... you have a recession ....

... the real estate sector was one way we used to get money on the street .... no way to do that now ...

.... to accomplish that today ... we would just have to give people money directly ... and then we would see inflation again ...

...inflation is here for food and energy .... but those are just the problems of the "great unwashed" ...

.... velocity for the unwashed is almost non-existent ....
 
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What the government spends money on

http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/year2011_0.html

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Total Federal Spending = $3,603.1 Billion
Federal Deficit =$ 1,299.6 Billion

Now consider the interest on the debt: $230.0 Billion at these low interest rates.

This all drives the fear factor for private spending along with a debt that will be $16 Trillion before the end of the year. There are other factors, to be discussed.
 
GDP = C + I + G + (X-M)

Where:

C = Consumer Spending
I = Gross Investment
G = Government Spending
X-M = Exports - Imports or Net Exports

Government spending or "G" is an important part of GDP meaning that growth in government spending is an important part of GDP growth. Unfortunately, in today's reality, government spending grows through the use of increasing levels of debt, a factor that actually slows the velocity of money.

With GDP hovering around $15 trillion and federal government spending at roughly $3.75 trillion, government spending makes up around 25 percent of GDP. This tells us how massive the impact of reduced government spending will be on GDP growth. The total of federal, state, and local spending accounts for 40% GDP growth.

The Fed's actions simply are not spurring economic activity despite recent growth in GDP (which could be a result of government spending increases). The economy has entered a liquidity trap where nominal interest rates are basically zero and increasing the supply of money has no impact on the economy, rendering monetary policy by central banks completely ineffective.

In this state, low interest rates do not result in a state of full employment and consumers are not interested in consuming more. As well, increased injections of money cannot push interest rates any lower since they are already basically zero. More money injections will continue to slow the velocity of money as it sits piled up in the banks and on corporate balance sheets.

It is called pushing on a string: the influence that is more effective in moving things in one direction than another – you can pull, but not push. More money is not moving the economy.
 
GDP = C + I + G + (X-M)

. increasing levels of debt, a factor that actually slows the velocity of money.

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with such increasing levels of ACCUMLATED debt .... the affect of raising interest rates now will shrink money supply even further which would be a departure from the correlations of money supply to velocity .....

the dollar is trapped

...or rather the middle class and the poor are ..... with the old rag
 
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As of January 2012

This shows the federal spending to GDP ratio (Blue) = 25%
This shows federal debt to to GDP ratio (Red) = 98%

We will add $1.2 Trillion to our debt by October 2012.

Spending is out of control with 40% of the spending deficit borrowed and 70% of the 40% borrowing bought by the Federal Reserve.
 
the dollar is trapped
Trapped indeed.... from the NY FED [url]http://www.newyorkfed.org/research/economists/eggertsson/palgrave.pdf[/URL]

A liquidity trap is defined as a situation in which the short-term nominal interest rate is zero. In this case, many argue, increasing money in circulation has no effect on either output or prices. The liquidity trap is originally a Keynesian idea and was contrasted with the quantity theory of money, which maintains that prices and output are, roughly speaking, proportional to the money supply
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