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Housing Bubble Bursting?

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Credit Card Debt Jumps 8.3%

The Federal Reserve's most recent consumer credit survey shows that between 2002 and 2005, revolving credit—i.e., credit cards—grew at only 2.6 percent per year. But now that it makes less sense to borrow against their homes, Americans are funding their consumption the old-fashioned way: with revolving credit. In the second quarter of 2006, revolving credit rose at a robust 8.3 percent annual rate.
 
Randolph Kinney said:
What are the breakdown of your borrowers according to LTV? Credit score?

What I am seeing here is a demand for refinancing of ARMs however, the LTV is more than 95% and / or the credit score is poor. It appears there are more of suicide loans (80% fixed first, 20% ARM second) that are going into default than are being refinanced.

It is also being reported that credit card debt is rapidly growing and this is attributed to those people who were borrowing against their homes instead of using their credit cards for spending and now have to use credit cards.

The following comments are anecdotal at best. In the Minneapolis area, there are borrowers realizing that they are in a locational/liquidity trap. I have a few loans pending that are dependent upon contingent sales that will probably stay that way:shrug:

Borrowers that did not heed my advice and temporarily owned two homes all lucked out and sold their prior homes this spring. The "can't lose" attitude is now departed and it is actually easier to talk some sense into customers.

I'd say 80/20 loans have been 1/4 of the business in the last couple years. They better like where they live:) Well, some of the 80/20 customers had plenty in reserve (retirement accounts, etc).

CA probably has lots more negative amortization loans on the books and, no doubt, more 80/20 action. I assume such areas will be in for a rough ride. Real estate agents might start wishing they were appraisers specializing in REO:rof:

However, the market locally is providing fixed rate 2nd mortgages at up to 100% LTV at amazingly low rates for high credit score borrowers. Another air bag to soften the "scheduled" crash landing for some of the market. I think some investors see a continued pause, the end of federal funds increases, perhaps a reversal in '07.

If a borrower has an 80/20 purchased lately and has to move, it is cash to the table time in many places, no doubt. A move facilitated with credit card debt is a solution for relocating borrowers, if their debt to income ratios stay below 50% and credit score is high. Of course, 50% could be changed to 45% overnight, if investors panic.
 
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/story.aspx?guid={E18E95AF-DBFF-4EE4-ACF7-530A3CD714D3}

Recession will be nasty and deep, economist says
Housing is in free fall, pulling the economy down with it, Roubini argues


WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- The United States is headed for a recession that will be "much nastier, deeper and more protracted" than the 2001 recession, says Nouriel Roubini, president of Roubini Global Economics.
Writing on his blog Wednesday, Roubini repeated his call that the U.S. would be in recession in 2007, arguing that the collapse of housing would bring down the rest of the economy. <Read more. (see link in webpage)>

Roubini wrote after the National Association of Realtors reported Wednesday that sales of existing homes fell 4.1% in July, while inventories soared to a 13-year high and prices flattened out on a year-over-year basis. <See full story. (see link in webpage)>

"This is the biggest housing slump in the last four or five decades: every housing indicator is in free fall, including now housing prices," Roubini said. The decline in investment in the housing sector will exceed the drop in investment when the Nasdaq collapsed in 2000 and 2001, he said.

And the impact of the bursting of the bubble will affect every household in America, not just the few people who owned significant shares in technology companies during the dot-com boom, he said. Prices are falling even in the Midwest, which never experienced a bubble, "a scary signal" of how much pain the drop in household wealth could cause.

Roubini is a professor of economics at New York University and was a senior economist in the White House and the Treasury Department in the late 1990s. His firm focuses largely on global macroeconomics.

While many economists share Roubini's concerns about imbalances in the global economy and in the U.S. housing sector, he stands nearly alone in predicting a recession next year.

Fed watcher Tim Duy called Roubini the "the current archetypical Eeyore," responding to a comment Dallas Fed President Richard Fisher made last week in referring to economic pessimists as "Eeyores," after Winnie the Pooh's grumpy friend.

"By itself this slump is enough to trigger a U.S. recession: its effects on real residential investment, wealth and consumption, and employment will be more severe than the tech bust that triggered the 2001 recession," Roubini said.
Housing has accounted, directly and indirectly, for about 30% of employment growth during this expansion, including employment in retail and in manufacturing producing consumer goods, he said.

In the past year, consumers spent about $200 billion of the money they pulled out of their home equity, he estimated. Already, sales of consumer durables such as cars and furniture have weakened.

"As the housing sector slumps, the job and income and wage losses in housing will percolate throughout the economy," Roubini said.

Consumers also face high energy prices, higher interest rates, stagnant wages, negative savings and high debt levels, he noted.

"This is the tipping point for the U.S. consumer and the effects will be ugly," he said. "Expect the great recession of 2007 to be much nastier, deeper and more protracted than the 2001 recession."

He also sees many of the same warning signs in other economies, including some in Europe.

Rex Nutting is Washington bureau chief of MarketWatch.
 
Quiet As a Tomb

I am in a small office building. Right across the hall and beside my office is a lawyer that specializes in real estate. Closes the vast majority of loans in this area. Down the hall is a title company.
For the last few years it was like a carnival. His office full of people closing loans, people talking in the hall etc. I could sit here and hear them talking with the former owners and Realtor. The owner would tell them how much they hoped they enjoyed their new home and the group would congregate on the sidewalk outside my window and say their goodbyes. One group coming in and another going out all day long.
Now it is as quiet as a tomb. I don't remember the last loan closing and haven't seen a Realtor go down the hall in months. It is back to court and conventional law practice. I hear the girls laughing and playing around some times but that is about it.
Mean while back at the ranch, I just had the best 6 months on record. Ran into to an old appraiser in the hall this week in his 70's and he said he was hanging it up. He is loaded with rental property he can't sell or rent. He said if I needed any help to let him know. Everything I am doing involves big money commercial people. They are going at it like a house on fire. This is the class that makes their money on the bottom of the curve. Many fortunes were made during the depression. Like the man said: "A sucker is born every minute." Not to worry though, a good world war will pick things back up. It worked for Roosevelt. The Winds Of War are blowing in from the middle east.
 
Happy thought of the day?:unsure:
The Winds Of War are blowing in from the middle east.

Boom for fall out shelter construction? There might be air borne radioactivity associated with the next winds of war:sad:
 
Anybody know how to appraise bomb shelters? And then there is fall out. Is that external obsolescence? Maybe not if its everywhere.

The wild man stock broker guy on NBC says this is not going to be a crash landing. BS There is no parachute here that works. We poked holes it it already. Even while saying its not all that bad he says invest in things prople have to have to avoid starvation.
 
Even while saying its not all that bad he says invest in things prople have to have to avoid starvation.

Oh, that would be full fee FANNIE Form SF appraisals:rof:

I have confidence in the real appraisers out there. They can follow the market and act accordingly.
 
Austin said:
The crazy thing about this is that I have never seen so much commercial activity in my life locally. Move over Wal-Mart and make way for CVS. I was looking for land sales for a CVS appraiser in Texas on a new CVS and found two pending CVS site purchases. He is appraising a new CVS and this is all with a 10 mile radius of where I live. We are talking million dollar sites. The local city population is down 5,000 is the last 5 years but they keep on building them.

The last big recession in residential RE was precipitated by the collapse of commercial real estate. I don't think we're anywhere close to a bottom.
 
Denis DeSaix said:
The ones I've seen in my market are used as wine cellars.

Wow! I'd really like to have one of those... and it could double as a place to hide from tornado storms. Still, problem is they cost multi-thousands of dollars to build, and add almost nothing to value for homes in my price range. Maybe that will change and I'll be able to borrow enough to build one.

While many economists share Roubini's concerns about imbalances in the global economy and in the U.S. housing sector, he stands nearly alone in predicting a recession next year.

I wouldn't exactly call him a donkey, but he may be missing some other fundamental factors.
 
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