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Housing Bubble Bursting?

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Greg,

"Quick , buy some Indymac , oops , better wait till friday..."

Guess you missed your profit opportunity.

Brad
 
Countrywide, Friedman, Indymac 1Q hurt by defaulting mortgages

Randolph,

I guess it is a very good thing for me and our other shareholders that our guidance was conservative and that many street analysts had underestimated performance.

As of now with an hour or so to go the stock is up 74 cents.

I heard WAMU reported losses in the $100 million range- true? No time to check.

Brad
Brad, it appears that most lenders had losses due to defaulting loans. Diversified operations were not hurt as much because their other businesses offset losses.

Most lenders are echoing the same caution as Countrywide about the considerable risk in mortgage market. In other words, rising problem loans or rising defaulting loans may rise even more so in the months to come.

Latest headline (see above and linkbelow):
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/countrywidefriedmanindymac-1q-hurt-mtg-woes/story.aspx?guid=%7B81723BA8%2D05CB%2D4047%2D9BDD%2D68134BF0C022%7D&dist=TQP_Mod_mktwN

NEW YORK (MarketWatch) -- Countrywide Financial Corp. said Thursday first-quarter net income fell 37% on higher credit costs, and the largest U.S. home lender by market share cut its 2007 earnings outlook as "considerable risks" remain in the mortgage industry.

Countrywide increased its provision for loan losses by 141% to almost $152 million.

Countrywide warned that "considerable risks" remain in the home-lending marketplace. Further deterioration in the housing market, it said, could force lenders to make fewer mortgages and set aside more capital for loan losses. It also said "potential pending regulatory or legislative actions" could pose constraints on operations.

The results come as soaring delinquencies on subprime home mortgages in recent months have squeezed lenders, unsettled investors and raised concerns that the malaise is creeping into the market for mortgages boasting higher credit quality. Subprime mortgages are those to people with scuffed credit or heavy debt burdens.

Friedman, Billings, Ramsey Group Inc. also said Thursday it swung to a loss in the first quarter because of the losses in its subprime mortgage business operated under its unit First NLC.

By contrast, IndyMac Bancorp Inc., one of the largest U.S. providers of Alt-A loans, on Thursday posted a 34% drop in first-quarter profit as overdue loans rose and it earned less from selling its loans into the secondary market.

The recent surge in overdue subprime mortgages has scared investors away from any mortgages deemed risky, forcing banks including SunTrust Banks Inc. (STI) and M&T Bank Corp. (MTB) to either sell those loans at a loss or write down the value of those loans if they choose to hold onto them.

Industrywide, subprime loans made last year are among the worst performers based on late payments and default rates because, in large part, too many lenders loosened credit standards to chase after a shrinking pool of borrowers amid a housing downturn. As a result, more than 30 independent, nonbank home lenders have gone out of business since December.
 
Countrywide & IndyMac see continued stress on mortgages

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/updates-advisories-surprises/story.aspx?guid=%7B4EF14792%2D83E1%2D4B2F%2D8D3A%2D734A3F68E38D%7D&dist=TQP_Mod_mktwN

Countrywide Financial trims 2007 view

UBS analyst Eric Wasserstrom said in a note to clients on Thursday, "We also believe bank profitability will remain under pressure from credit normalization, and that capital markets volumes and margins will reflect continued weakness in secondary mortgage markets," he said in a note to clients.

IndyMac profit slumps 34% as mortgage business takes hit

The company said it expected continued stress on its mortgage operations in the second quarter. "With respect to mortgage banking revenue margins, the spread widening in the private mortgage-backed securities markets that occurred in the first quarter will continue to impact margins in the second quarter," IndyMac President Richard Wohl said in a press release.
 
Brad,
I am not an individual stock investor or stock picker. If I want to invest in equity, I have my own strategy and I am very risk conscious but no matter what, you have to know the market price and the earning or the income. To know about the G (growth) that you are talking about, you need a projection and you got to have a tool, data and access to the company. Suppose I want to buy your company’s stock. I can get its share price for today or this hour. I also can get its earning. How can I get what kind of growth it is going to have next 10 years? How do I know if it is going to exist next 10 years? Its growth depends on Fed rates up and down, Fed’s regulations and its competitors. Even the insiders don’t know about its future because it is out of their control. I don’t trust stockbrokers, stock portfolio managers, stock pickers and stock market talking heads. They all try to move the stock by psychology. The economy is slowing down due to the housing bust and unemployment possibly is going to be rising but some of these talking heads are happy and stocks are going up because they think the Fed is going to cut the rate and their game is going to start all over again. If the economy is slowing and unemployment is rising, it means less consumer spending and less profit for companies and the stock should go down not up but people are buying these ideas that the rate cut is right there and with that people are going to start borrowing and spending again. Part X of refinance cash out is going to be played again. Some of them believe that the Fed is going to cut the rate 3 times this year. How Fed is going to do that with the high inflation going on. The gas price is going to be $4 per gallon and food price has gone up 15-20%. Milk is $3 per gallon; onion is $1 per pound, . There are 3 things that you cannot avoid, health care 30% up, Gas 30% up and food 20% 20%. People cannot live without those three and all are up and that is inflation and if the Fed cuts the rate 3 times this year, the dollar is going to collapse and the long term rate is going to go up
 
Fremont General Sued Over Purchases of Stock for Pension Funds

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=aiQhw8RFhwxs&refer=us

April 26 (Bloomberg) -- Fremont General Corp., a mortgage lender barred from making subprime loans, was sued by a retiree who claims corporate officers authorized the purchase of Fremont stock for company pension funds as they dumped their own shares.


The suit, which seeks class-action status, was filed this week in federal court in Los Angeles under the Employee Retirement Income Security Act. Executives sold $16.5 million of their own shares from Jan. 1, 2003, to April 24, 2007, while causing the company's retirement plan to buy between $150 million and $210 million of the stock, the complaint said.


Fremont and its officers caused company pension funds to buy shares though ``they knew or should've known that company stock was an imprudent investment because of Fremont Investment & Loan's unsound underwriting, risk management, and lending practices,'' the lawsuit said. Fremont Investment & Loan is a unit of Fremont, according to the complaint.


The suit seeks to recover ``millions'' of dollars in money lost in the funds when the share prices fell this year.
 
Randolph,

Agree to all of that. A lot of this is perception and some is fact and some will become fact because of the perception.

I have said for quite a while now that I expected this correction to last deep into this year. Some are now saying it may go into next year- that sure is possible.

Moh,

Glad to hear you are not paying attention to the talking heads. Your own cousel is always best.

As to the growth portion of the PEG ratio, the street analysts- not the talking heads- have become really good at projecting per share profits and most of these guys and ladies specialize in one sector so they have a pretty good handle on things. Of course no guarantee- but look at our results. Most called our earnings at 67 cents per share and it came in at 70 cents. That is pretty good.

Greg-

Sorry- our stock closed UP $1.01.

Brad
 
Homebuilders in Jeopardy of Breaking Their Lending Covenants, Moody's Says

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601009&sid=a40fjXzhI_q8&refer=bond

April 26 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. homebuilders are in jeopardy of violating their lending agreements in coming months because of a drop in sales, according to Moody's Investors Service.


More than half, or 11, of the 21 builders that Moody's rates failed to generate more cash than they spent in 2006, analyst Joseph Snider in New York said in a report today. Homebuilders often have to promise banks that they will have twice as much operating revenue as interest expenses over a given time or the bank can demand immediate repayment of a loan, Snider said.


The homebuilders' situation is especially dire because cash flows usually turn positive during a slump as they cut back on starts and sell existing inventory, according to the analyst. The housing market is so weak that homebuilders haven't been able to cut their inventories, leading many to ask their bankers for so- called covenant relief, Snider said in an interview. Ratings may also be in jeopardy, he said.


``The next year or so for them is going to be pretty grim,'' Snider said. Some of the requests being asked of lenders are to relax rules that govern the amount of cash flow they must have in relation to interest expense.


The Commerce Department yesterday said new homes sales totaled 858,000 in March. Sales were expected to be 890,000, according to the median of 71 projections in a Bloomberg News survey of economists. The number of homes for sale in February reached 8.1 months of inventory, the highest in 16 years.

Bloomfield Hills, Michigan-based Pulte Homes Inc., Atlanta- based Beazer Homes USA Inc. and Calabasas, California-based Ryland Group Inc. this week reported quarterly losses as the deteriorating housing market forced them to write down the value of property and abandon land purchases.


Moody's figures the housing market has been shrinking for the past year and a half and the ratings company has taken 16 negative rating actions on homebuilders since mid-2006.


``More will undoubtedly follow,'' Snider said in the report.


The outlook for Pulte's credit rating was lowered to ``negative'' from ``stable'' today. The move reflected Pulte's weak operating performance, its inability to generate positive cash flows and the expectation that compliance with its current interest coverage covenant may become problematic in the latter part of 2007, Moody's said. Its Baa3 rating, the lowest level of investment grade, wasn't changed.

Pulte was one of three investment-grade companies generating negative cash flow for the previous 12 months at the end of the year, Snider said. The other two are Dallas-based Centex Corp. and Toll Brothers Inc. in Horsham, Pennsylvania.


Speculative-grade companies losing cash at the end of 2006 were: Red Bank, New Jersey-based Hovnanian Enterprises Inc.; Standard Pacific Corp. in Irvine, California; Technical Olympic USA Inc. of Hollywood, Florida; M/I Homes Inc. in Columbus, Ohio; WCI Communities Inc. in Bonita Springs, Florida; Reston, Virginia-based Stanley-Martin Communities LLC; William Lyon Homes Inc. in Newport Beach, California; and Meritage Homes Corp. of Scottsdale, Arizona.


Debt sold by junk-rated homebuilders returned about 1.46 percent this year, compared with a 3.95 percent for high-yield, high-risk bonds on average, according to Merrill Lynch & Co. index data, and a 13.7 percent drop for the Standard & Poor's 500 Homebuilders Index of share prices, which includes Fort Worth, Texas-based DR Horton Inc., Pulte and Centex.

Houses started by U.S. homebuilders will fall to a 10-year low in 2007, according to the National Association of Home Builders, which released the forecast at a housing conference they sponsored today in Washington. Single-family housing starts will decline to 1.16 million this year, the lowest since 1.13 million in 1997.


``The failure of a strong spring selling season to materialize, the unraveling of the subprime mortgage market, and the weakening of the alternative-A, or Alt-A, market will also carry a significant toll,'' Snider said in his report.
Alt A mortgages represent loans that are considered a credit level above subprime, and are made to people with generally good credit histories who opt for atypical underwriting or loan terms.


Housing is unlikely to show any signs of stabilization until 2008 at the earliest, Snider said, ``given the oversupply of homes for sale, their diminished affordability, declining prices, excess land inventory, and weak consumer sentiment.''
 
Wells Fargo Settles Subprime Lending Class-Action Lawsuit for $6.8 Million

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601208&sid=arx8rgJUMtR0&refer=finance

April 26 (Bloomberg) -- Wells Fargo & Co., the biggest bank on the U.S. West Coast, agreed to pay as much as $6.8 million to settle a class-action lawsuit that accused the company of obscuring fees and penalties on subprime mortgages.


The proposed settlement covers loans made in California by Wells Fargo Financial between Dec. 18, 1999, and Nov. 20, 2005, according to a statement distributed by PRNewswire. The bank will provide $2.4 million of relief for borrowers whose payments are overdue by more than 60 days and may disburse a maximum of $4.4 million more in cash compensation.


The Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, or ACORN, a community-activist group that has criticized lending practices in poor and minority neighborhoods, filed the suit in December 2003, Wells Fargo said in the statement. ACORN alleged the Wells Fargo didn't adequately tell borrowers about ``points'' -- an upfront fee calculated as a percentage of the loan -- and penalties for paying off mortgages early.


Wells Fargo also sent inaccurate loan balances for some California customers to credit-reporting agencies, ACORN alleged. Higher debts can lower credit ratings and make it harder for people to obtain other loans or jobs at companies that run credit checks on potential employees.
In California, if the lender did not disclose, the borrower must be put back whole, to the condition prior to the loan.

Expect to see more of these lawsuits coming.
 
The stock market has been a lousy barometer of the economy.

From the beginning of 2004 through the first quarter of 2006, economic growth averaged an impressive 3.4%. The Dow Jones Industrial Average rose just 6%. Since then, economic growth has slowed to a little more than 2%, yet the blue-chip index has leapt 18%, ending yesterday's session at a record 13089.89, the first time it has closed above 13000.
So, is the stock market providing reassurance? Or is it out of touch?
 
We are not the only one, UK got the same problem

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=a7G5QKPGtMGE&refer=home

U.K. Home Prices Are `Very Inflated,' Tchenguiz Says (Update1)

By Peter Woodifield and Francine Lacqua

April 27 (Bloomberg) -- U.K. home prices, rising at the fastest pace in two years, are ``very highly inflated'' and at risk of collapsing, said Vincent Tchenguiz, one of Britain's largest residential property owners.

A shortage of housing has driven the price of an average home up 11 percent over the past year, according to HBOS Plc, the U.K.'s largest mortgage lender, even after the Bank of England raised its benchmark interest rate three times to a 5 1/2-year high.

``It is not sustainable in the long term, prices are very high,'' Tchenguiz, 50, said in an interview. ``The bubble could burst in the event of a financial shock or terrorism.''

The influx of international capital into the U.K. has created a real estate market similar to the one in Japan that collapsed in 1991, said Tchenguiz. Japanese land prices have dropped about 50 percent from their peak. They increased in 2006 for the first time in 16 years.

Tchenguiz lives and works in London's Mayfair district and has an office that overlooks Buckingham Palace and Hyde Park. By the end of June, he plans to buy the freehold to 300,000 properties. The 500 million-pound ($1 billion) acquisition would double the U.K. residential holdings of Consensus Business Group Ltd., Tchenguiz's investment firm.

Freeholders can insulate themselves from fluctuations in the real estate market by selling leases on their properties
 
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