Hurricane Helena devastation in NC!

[Terrel L. Shields]

The Federal Emergency Management Agency has deployed more than a thousand personnel and millions of meals and liters of water to the communities hard hit by Helene, but is struggling to reach some communities deep in mountainous and remote areas of North Carolina that were most affected by the storm.

Bush faced the same issues with Katrina. Again, the magnitude of the problem is far greater than the ability of any agency to master overnight be it Bush or be it Biden. I think everyone was and is doing everything that they can with the resources they have. You cannot truck food into a place that the roads are washed out, the bridges are gone, and trees are covering the roads. And Bush couldn't get trucks to people sitting on a bridge with 10' of water surrounding them.

These events have happened for the millennia.
There was a great flood in 1862 in the west. Leland Stanford (CA governor) was taken from the capitol by boat. Sacramento was underwater.
The Peshtigo Fire in 1871 - got less news because it happened at the same time as the Chicago Fire
The Johnstown Flood in 1889
The 1900 Galveston hurricane - killed maybe 10,000
The 1906 San Francisco earthquake that the PTB called a "fire" to keep people from avoiding the place. 700 died
1906: Pascagoula, Mississippi Hurricane
1908 - killer tornados swept through Mississippi
The forest fires of 1910 that wrecked parts of several states in the Northwest.
Nov. 11, 1911 was a blue norther across the middle of the nation that set both record high and record lows for the date...all in 12 hours or so. School children froze to death going home.
1927 Great Mississippi River Flood -Mississippi River floods have been recorded since DeSoto's expeditions of 1543. Federal legislation was enacted on May 15, 1928, with the passage of the Flood Control Act as a result. The TVA came out of that as well as the old blues song made popular by Led Zepplin - "When the Levee Breaks"
The Lake Okeechobee Hurricane in 1928
In 1956, Hurricane Flossy completely submerged Grand Isle and threatened the Greater New Orleans area
Believe it or not there was a huge snowstorm December 31, 1963 in New Orleans.
August 17, 1969: Hurricane Camille. Only one of two Category 5 hurricanes to landfall on a United States coastline.
The heatwave of 1934, 1936, the dust bowl - huge drought - but just think, in the 12th century there was a 75-year drought in the Southwest that displaced the pueblo Indian tribes. Many of the all-time temperature records in the US were set in 1936 and 1934. 34 was drier, but 36 was brutally hot.
Hurricane Donna 1960, struck the Carribean, then the Keys of Florida, worked its way up to E. NC, and was still kicking butt and taking names in NY and Pennsylvania where many streams were damaged, and much timber destroyed. The storm finally petered out near Maine and Canada.
Mt. St. Helens blew its top in 1980. Ash fell as far as 2,000 miles away. Homes collapses. Cars and tractor engines failed due to the fine grit and people developed all sorts of respiratory problems. Death toll was high and people told they could safely camp 20 miles away were killed.
The heatwave of 1980, and the east suffered from a heatwave in 1989 popularizing the "global warming" era
August 26, 1992: Hurricane Andrew
Mississippi River flooding in 1945, 73, 93, 2002, 2011, 2019 - despite all the levees and such built to reduce flooding.
Katrina, Ian, Irma, all these were huge hurricanes, but history also suggests there were equally large hurricanes in the 17th and 18th centuries in the Carribean and southeast US.
Tornado of Joplin, 2011 pales in comparison to the tornado outbreak of 1925, the Tri-State Tornado was an F5 tornado that traveled 219 miles across Missouri, Illinois, and Indiana. It killed 695 people, injured over 2,000, and destroyed more than 15,000 homes. Do you have any idea how many more homes and people would die if that same exact path was taken today?
Sandy was barely a hurricane but was something like 600 miles in diameter and caused billions in damage. On and on. So, we can expect a storm or disaster to occur that is outside the norm, maybe every 10-15 years. But we cannot predict whether it is going to be a hurricane, a tornado, a flood, an earthquake, or even a volcano. An eruption of the mega-volcano of Yellowstone would pale all the rest above by comparison.

I don't fault government for not being able to fix everything and do so instantly. Post-event assessment might prove areas the government could have done and could do better in the future, but we are all OBE - overtaken by events.

 

[J Grant]

Former President Barack Obama accumulated more debt on his watch than Trump did.

• On a per-year basis, Trump oversaw a debt rate increase that was higher than Obama’s.

• Assigning debt to a particular president can be misleading because so much of it traces back to decades-old, bipartisan legislation that set the parameters for Social Security and Medicare.

Did Trump rack up more debt than any other president?

As White House and congressional Republican negotiators met to hammer out a way to raise the nation’s debt limit, House

www.politifact.com

That may be so. But Obama was not presenting himself as the economic guru that Trump does, and his base was willing to forgive Trump all kinds of sins because they said he was good for the economy.If he was good for the economy, he would have delivered a substantial return on manufacturing, which he did not. All he did was short-term juice the economy with massive tax cuts to the wealthy and copraotins ( which he made those high-worth tax cuts permanent; his tax cuts to working class was temperate -f them, right?)

 

[J Grant]

Bush faced the same issues with Katrina. Again, the magnitude of the problem is far greater than the ability of any agency to master overnight be it Bush or be it Biden. I think everyone was and is doing everything that they can with the resources they have. You cannot truck food into a place that the roads are washed out, the bridges are gone, and trees are covering the roads. And Bush couldn't get trucks to people sitting on a bridge with 10' of water surrounding them.

These events have happened for the millennia.
There was a great flood in 1862 in the west. Leland Stanford (CA governor) was taken from the capitol by boat. Sacramento was underwater.
The Peshtigo Fire in 1871 - got less news because it happened at the same time as the Chicago Fire
The Johnstown Flood in 1889
The 1900 Galveston hurricane - killed maybe 10,000
The 1906 San Francisco earthquake that the PTB called a "fire" to keep people from avoiding the place. 700 died
1906: Pascagoula, Mississippi Hurricane
1908 - killer tornados swept through Mississippi
The forest fires of 1910 that wrecked parts of several states in the Northwest.
Nov. 11, 1911 was a blue norther across the middle of the nation that set both record high and record lows for the date...all in 12 hours or so. School children froze to death going home.
1927 Great Mississippi River Flood -Mississippi River floods have been recorded since DeSoto's expeditions of 1543. Federal legislation was enacted on May 15, 1928, with the passage of the Flood Control Act as a result. The TVA came out of that as well as the old blues song made popular by Led Zepplin - "When the Levee Breaks"
The Lake Okeechobee Hurricane in 1928
In 1956, Hurricane Flossy completely submerged Grand Isle and threatened the Greater New Orleans area
Believe it or not there was a huge snowstorm December 31, 1963 in New Orleans.
August 17, 1969: Hurricane Camille. Only one of two Category 5 hurricanes to landfall on a United States coastline.
The heatwave of 1934, 1936, the dust bowl - huge drought - but just think, in the 12th century there was a 75-year drought in the Southwest that displaced the pueblo Indian tribes. Many of the all-time temperature records in the US were set in 1936 and 1934. 34 was drier, but 36 was brutally hot.
Hurricane Donna 1960, struck the Carribean, then the Keys of Florida, worked its way up to E. NC, and was still kicking butt and taking names in NY and Pennsylvania where many streams were damaged, and much timber destroyed. The storm finally petered out near Maine and Canada.
Mt. St. Helens blew its top in 1980. Ash fell as far as 2,000 miles away. Homes collapses. Cars and tractor engines failed due to the fine grit and people developed all sorts of respiratory problems. Death toll was high and people told they could safely camp 20 miles away were killed.
The heatwave of 1980, and the east suffered from a heatwave in 1989 popularizing the "global warming" era
August 26, 1992: Hurricane Andrew
Mississippi River flooding in 1945, 73, 93, 2002, 2011, 2019 - despite all the levees and such built to reduce flooding.
Katrina, Ian, Irma, all these were huge hurricanes, but history also suggests there were equally large hurricanes in the 17th and 18th centuries in the Carribean and southeast US.
Tornado of Joplin, 2011 pales in comparison to the tornado outbreak of 1925, the Tri-State Tornado was an F5 tornado that traveled 219 miles across Missouri, Illinois, and Indiana. It killed 695 people, injured over 2,000, and destroyed more than 15,000 homes. Do you have any idea how many more homes and people would die if that same exact path was taken today?
Sandy was barely a hurricane but was something like 600 miles in diameter and caused billions in damage. On and on. So, we can expect a storm or disaster to occur that is outside the norm, maybe every 10-15 years. But we cannot predict whether it is going to be a hurricane, a tornado, a flood, an earthquake, or even a volcano. An eruption of the mega-volcano of Yellowstone would pale all the rest above by comparison.

I don't fault government for not being able to fix everything and do so instantly. Post-event assessment might prove areas the government could have done and could do better in the future, but we are all OBE - overtaken by events.

We are aware of it. So are the climate scientists. DOH, there have always been storms.

But the frequency and intensity of storms, wildfires, droughts, and floods have accelerated over the past few decades and into near areas just as the scientists predicted[ fueled by ice melting, rising sea levels, warmer water, and air loss of habitat. But I can't convince a denier, so keep posting charts of the random low temperatures here and there.

 

[Terrel L. Shields]

Where is the proof that FMEA spent $640,000 on housing migrants? FMEA and Homeland Security are separate agencies.

It is on the government's own website. The money move was approved and and NO Homeland Security and FEMA are not separate
FEMA operates under the dept of Homeland Security. Try Google. Your Bing isn't working.

 

[Terrel L. Shields]

But the frequency and intensity of storms, wildfires, droughts, and floods have accelerated over the past few decades

NO IT HAS NOT AND THE IPCC IS THE 'CLIMATE AUTHORITY" - They make no such claim nor is their any evidence of it. The $ amount of damage done is greater because that $10,000 house in 1965 costs $200,000 now.

 

[Terrel L. Shields]

 

[J Grant]

NO IT HAS NOT AND THE IPCC IS THE 'CLIMATE AUTHORITY" - They make no such claim nor is their any evidence of it. The $ amount of damage done is greater because that $10,000 house in 1965 costs $200,000 now.

The intensity of storms and effects of climate change are not measured by the increased cost of the house and related damage

It is pointless to argue with you. have a nice day. My weekend is slipping away spending so much time here.

 

[TerryRohrer]

It is pointless to argue with you.

Finally, an admission that there is no veracity to your arguments!

 

[Terrel L. Shields]

It is pointless to argue with you.

especially when I am right and quoting the IPCC report which is the bible of the global warming crowd. CNN et al takes select sentences from the report but never quotes the actual research. The IPCC reports are 2-fold. One section is for the policy makers and bases its potential problems and speculates about what may happen based upon the models. This is what CNN, Daily Mail, etc. wants to report.

The larger portion of the IPCC report spells out the actual results of the on-going research around the world on climate. And it shows little evidence of significant change in the past 30 years. Simple fact that the IPCC confirms. It has consistently shown that to day, there is no measurable change in either the frequency nor size of hurricanes, tornados, floods, etc.

Keep in mind floods do get worse due to something called the 'time of concentration' - that's why we see cities require developers to include drainage ponds to slow the water running off a new subdivision. A pasture not only absorbs rainfall but slows the runoff down. A subdivision developed in that same pasture will absorb little since it only has some yard grass to absorb water thus increasing the runoff dramatically. This runoff if not slowed means a stream it goes into will peak sooner and higher and drain faster than if still in pasture.

 

[TerryRohrer]

especially when I am right and quoting the IPCC report which is the bible of the global warming crowd. CNN et al takes select sentences from the report but never quotes the actual research. The IPCC reports are 2-fold. One section is for the policy makers and bases its potential problems and speculates about what may happen based upon the models. This is what CNN, Daily Mail, etc. wants to report.

The larger portion of the IPCC report spells out the actual results of the on-going research around the world on climate. And it shows little evidence of significant change in the past 30 years. Simple fact that the IPCC confirms. It has consistently shown that to day, there is no measurable change in either the frequency nor size of hurricanes, tornados, floods, etc.

Keep in mind floods do get worse due to something called the 'time of concentration' - that's why we see cities require developers to include drainage ponds to slow the water running off a new subdivision. A pasture not only absorbs rainfall but slows the runoff down. A subdivision developed in that same pasture will absorb little since it only has some yard grass to absorb water thus increasing the runoff dramatically. This runoff if not slowed means a stream it goes into will peak sooner and higher and drain faster than if still in pasture.

Well, in all fairness, when your entire world perspective comes from the "Donkeys' Book of Trite Talking Points", you tend to miss a few of the facts and truthful realities.