I am not doing the 3.6 FORM deal

[Essexfenwick]

That's different than having photos of a child's bedroom or kitchen on an appraisal being uploaded to the stars.
Honestly, I'm feeling you are petulant re: techie stuff.... We all have different interests and capabilities, and that's why there's room on the planet for everybody, but everybody is not suited for every task. That doesn't make anybody "bad" or "less-than"... So I choose not to feel insulted or demeaned. There's more to life than robots, and not all of us are looking for a job at all, let alone at WalMart. And today my bandwidth is irritating my internet mbps, s-l-o-w going, so I'm a bit annoyed with tech today anyhow.

People that occupy that weird spot where non techi appraisers will be extinct but AI won't replace the incredible reasoning / highly sought after discernment of a techi human appraiser crack me up. The appraising part is easy for AI. It just needs the data input. 5000 data centers are there for that explicit reason.

It's probably the non techi appraisers that do legal work will be the only remaining in 5 years

 

[J Grant]

People that occupy that weird spot where non techi appraisers will be extinct but AI won't replace the incredible reasoning / highly sought after discernment of a techi human appraiser crack me up. The appraising part is easy for AI. It just needs the data input. 5000 data centers are there for that explicit reason.

It's probably the non techi appraisers that do legal work will be the only remaining in 5 years

It seems you either missed or are ignoring Caschcatz's post, where he said AI is not anywhere close to being able to do an appraisal.
In addition, USPAP defines an appraisal as a ( human) opinion of value, so AI alone can not perform an appraisal.

AI can do segmented tasks of an appraisal with the right prompts or programming. The right programming would prompt AI within the software or online form to retrieve data, or find out X, or after the appraiser imports their selected data, AI is prompted to do a market conditions adjustment from the data. That is how I picture it being used in the near future. How near, IDK- depends on which company wants to devote the resources to making AI integrated in a functional way for evaluations or for appraisal assistance.

 

[J Grant]

The inspection part usually goes fairly quickly unless it is a huge house or has a lot of custom features etc. The problem is that important "data" might not be present at the inspection and neds to be tracked down- THAT is what adds time and is not something tech can cure. The optimism about tech is laughable. It gives on one hand and takes with other.

I did a condo inspection the other day. Time spent at the inspection of the small condo - 15 minutes. Time spent tracking down critical information about the condo special assessment and other issues - THAT took over 2 hours of phone calls and texts and emails to various people - the owner was vague about it, the RE Agent did not know jack, websites do not disclose it - it took another day to find the right PERSON at the condo managing office who could explain the assessment. This is what the tech bros do not understand about appraisals - the time suck is not about voice to text, which might save 5 minutes, it is tracking down the hard-to-find info, and figuring things out that do not match up etc.

I will add that the more "help" appraisers get, the less money we make and the more frustrated we become over the increased time pressure, expectation (since we got all that help!!) and with it the loss of control over our own appraisal. Amazing how third parties and data providers and portals and PDR collectors and software start-ups line up to do part of the appraisal -.for a fee or for a cut of the split.Yet somehow, the real time-consuming tasks take as much time as ever, and the hard stuff, like finding the right comps, and analyzing the market and then fending off agressive RE agents and their crazy sales they provide, or responding to an ROV or tracking down missing critical info, nboody can help us with that - the hard stuff is all on us.

 

[Alsie35]

Then those appraisers are extinct. And they won't find a job at WalMart, because they are way higher tech than appraisers. Having basic tech literacy is entry-level for most jobs now, it's not like appraisers are being asked to write code here - but learn and use their tools as they evolve.

Also, if you didn't know - your very message typed up here was saved to "the cloud" (the horror!) and by visiting this forum you expose yourself to no less than 10 trackers, retarget cookies and a variety of ads. That the world we're in in 2025. The only constant is change.

That's technically true, and you're not a 20 or 30 something, so I can't get mad at you for that.

I don't like it any more than the poster that you were replying to, however, I realize that it is the wave of the future.

My main beef is with the rapid pace of change, but again that's a factor of the technology, and as much as I would love to roll the clock back to 1985 it ain't happening.

However, as I was telling my wife tonight, and as I discussed on a different thread, my eyesight is the main reason that any thought about trying to tackle this thing is pointless.

I did not win the genetic
lottery with that particular feature. I inherited my maternal grandfather's beautiful crystal clear blue, but very weak and cataract prone, eyes. So while my wife loves to look into them and tell me how beautiful they are, I have said for some time now that I wish that I'd been born with my mother's brown eyes.

 

[RCA]

Removed.

 

[RCA]

A lot of people are sick of programs that do everything except wipe your butt, charge accordingly, and you do not want nor use 90% of these great "features". Do you think that Total is not data-mining every single word you write? Your entire history is on the cloud as it is. Your phone tracks you 24 7. Apple will track you even if the phone is off. And every time I open Windows 11, it wants to link to my phone. Support for 10 was supposed to end, but guess what? I got a notice a day or two ago for another "update" from them.

You are right. But to get around this you need to Learn MARS and R, at a minimum.

 

[Zoe]

Confidentiality and independence are becoming questionable. Like a nuclear bomb hitting them.

You can put the blame where you want. I can name a few I blame.

 

[cashcatz]

You are right. But to get around this you need to Learn MARS and R, at a minimum.

Good luck with that, many appraisers are bent out of shape of the prospect of having to use new (very basic) apps that actually extract all the hard computer science parts. Figuring out how to get a basic coding environment set up is not tenable but for the top 10% of tinkerers.

Also, I think a lot of people are conflating the new tech as well as new UAD report format with the data stealing/harvesting, which are different things - and taking it out on the tech. And yeah, the data stealing nonsense is BS; but that's an industry/cultural/legal issue, not a technical one.

 

[Tom D]

As far as i can tell from this thread. The new to be monthly uad3.6 form fee, all the additional addons needed to make data input easier, addons to show how you determined something, and then the portal costs. Seems to me like this new and improved and faster and better uad3.6 is seeing my fee being eaten up, more and more, to make the new improved, faster and mo better.

And so far the new tech says 'i can do it, as long as you input, checkboxes appraiser, i mean mcdonald data box checker. Some of you are very convincing in seeing the future end result, the end of us.

 

[J Grant]

That's technically true, and you're not a 20 or 30 something, so I can't get mad at you for that.

I don't like it any more than the poster that you were replying to, however, I realize that it is the wave of the future.

My main beef is with the rapid pace of change, but again that's a factor of the technology, and as much as I would love to roll the clock back to 1985 it ain't happening.

However, as I was telling my wife tonight, and as I discussed on a different thread, my eyesight is the main reason that any thought about trying to tackle this thing is pointless.

I did not win the genetic
lottery with that particular feature. I inherited my maternal grandfather's beautiful crystal clear blue, but very weak and cataract prone, eyes. So while my wife loves to look into them and tell me how beautiful they are, I have said for some time now that I wish that I'd been born with my mother's brown eyes.

IDK what your eyesight condition is, however, a friend of mine got cataract surgery and restored her vision- the operation is outpatient and fairly simple, I believe Medicaid might cover it if necessary.