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Just curious about trainees

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I see no economic benefit for a trainee here in the Boston area; the dropout rate for trainee I believe is high. I do believe a refi-boom will return, but I will not repeat past business errors. Keep small and keep it all.
 
I find them to be more of a burden.

...I think they are quickly becoming a thing of the past.

I'm just a curious Real Estate Appraiser Trainee. Please, expand on this; since I'm no longer viable and, only a burden, in your eyes.

I've noticed several have similar convictions, as yours.

May I ask that you and several others (with similar conviction) concur, with logical explanation, as to how the Real Estate Apraiser Trainee(s) are a thing of the past; due to Trainees being a burden on the profession?

If you like, I can provide a phone number to the appropriate professional for which you and any other, in which you and several others may speak with, in order to let him/her know that I'm a burden to you and the rest of the Appraisers and the profession itself.

Sincerely,
 
Hey Greenback, I hear your frustration. I hope the folks who are venting along those lines are more expressing the feeling you have when someone else shows up at your favorite "secret" fishing hole. More than one is a crowd. Things will turn as folks retire or die off. LOL! I mean all those certified folks couldn't have been born certified. Someone, somewhere, took them in as a lowly trainee and taught them the mystical art of appraising. Let's make a pact between the two of us to further muddy up the waters by sticking around so there's two more certifieds to feed at the trough. Good luck to both of us!
 
Commercial also.Just wait..........:new_multi:

I expect to be waiting a long time.

I would avoid projecting what happens in a portion of the residential lending segment into other areas of appraising, both residential and commercial. What happens in the box doesn't necessarily happen outside the box.
 
I'm just a curious Real Estate Appraiser Trainee. Please, expand on this; since I'm no longer viable and, only a burden, in your eyes.

I've noticed several have similar convictions, as yours.

May I ask that you and several others (with similar conviction) concur, with logical explanation, as to how the Real Estate Apraiser Trainee(s) are a thing of the past; due to Trainees being a burden on the profession?

If you like, I can provide a phone number to the appropriate professional for which you and any other, in which you and several others may speak with, in order to let him/her know that I'm a burden to you and the rest of the Appraisers and the profession itself.

Sincerely,

Understand that many here think that most trainees work for "skippy" shops that low ball fees and do crappy work. That may be true to some extent, but putting all people into one group because of experience does not allow the cream to rise to the top. Many would like to see trainees stop for a bit as there has been a glut of new blood in the past five years. When I started in 05' I quit my last career of 11 1/2 years, left my wife and child behind for two months to train with a friend of a friend that lived three hours away (for free I might add) and then was recommended to another appraiser here that was looking for help. I spent many months in the office answering phones and learning the basics before I was asked to go along to see the homes. I didn't know if it would pan out, but it did. The only thing I hope is the new blood in the game upholds the ethics of the profession. Don't go away guys, make the field a better place.
 
The paradigm is definately changing. Trainees in our Southern California areas are paying for their training and some are paying for contracts with AR's to work with once they become fully trained. Since they're limiting the number of trainees an AR/AG can have these positions are very valuable.

I know they are going to start doing some trainings in Texas so if you want you can email me privately and I'll get you the info. Otherwise I would say that getting a Supervisor and Training without paying for it is going to be a thing of the past.
 
With all the crap that is going on, Trainees are NOT the problem!!! The problem is to many trainees are training trainees. Where are all those that during the "BOOM" were bragging about turning out trainees?? I know of some Certified's that aren't even out of Training pants doing SUPPOSEDLY Training. I willl not go for Certified cause as far as I am concerned the new rules to becoming certified are a SLAP in the face to those that actually had to work for it in the past. certified is a JOKE!! I actually feel sorry for many that THOUGHT cause they had gotten the license they are Appraisers & now with a changing market that MOST that are "TRAINING" have NEVER experienced the Trainer is as lost IF not more than the Trainee. Cause I'm seeing more Trainees taking additional classes & asking for more rules & regulations & are asking others than just their SUPPOSEDLY Trainer!!.

Just look at the many questions on this forum & see who there from. 5 years ago you never saw Certifieds asking Appraiser 101 questions!!. Trainees I really do feel sorry for those of you that THOUGHT this would be a great profession. Well at one time it was and it could be again, BUT it is going to be up to you new "younguns" to get it back.

Many of us will offer suggestions & help but what ever happens from here on out is going to affect you; not those like myself that can easily exit from this business. So lets hear from the younguns.

Trainees/Trainers that have the Ba Back Bone with less than 5 years license, tell us your stories.
 
Karl you make some good points, but I disagree with you on the point of upgrading to certified. To do so one would have to take additional education and no one can say that is a bad thing.
 
Karl - As a trainee, a couldn't agree with you more that someone entering the field should be trained by a ethical, educated, veteran of the profession. My supervising appraiser has 17 years under his belt, and is highly regarded by our State Administrator. I guess I'm one of the lucky ones who's being trained by someone who demands I go with him on every comp inspection/photo shoot, every subject walk-through, and goes over every report with the "red" pen. It's taken 18 months to log the 2000 hours to sit for the exam. That's quite an investment when you add all the class costs. And I'm no "young-un" at 47. But after all I've been through I'm here to stay in this mixed up profession called appraising.
 
You are asking the right questions.
Who will replace the experienced appraisers when they retire, etc.?
If no one is willing to train a newbie, what will happen to the profession in the future?
My problem with trainees is that the rules, which are an effort to keep skippy from training more of his ilk, is having the exact opposite effect. Only a skippy has little enough sense to turn a trainee loose from near day one to 'sink or swim.'

The more skill and experience you - the mentor - have, the more valuable that is. Therefore, if your trainee "screws up", you have much more to lose. The trainee, OTOH, has very little to lose. No client base, no long term commitments, no business built up over the years.
How do you keep a trainee from screwing up? Literally to appraise the property for the second time. Anyone can make a mistake. Our board is not the only one who holds the supervisor to a higher standard than the "trainee". So even when that trainee has one or more years experience, they are still apt to make mistakes. If they do, they suffer the consequences to a lesser degree.

We have a lot of folks saying they can appraise a house and report it on a 1004 form in 4 - 6 hours. I can easily take that many hours or longer to desk review a report. And if I don't have the full file to look at, or have the memory of an elephant, how do review a report? I have to make sure the address is correct, every detail on the inspection sheet and tax card match the card. Do I simply look at the comps?...or do a full comp search myself? Do I look at the land sales? or do a full land sales grid myself...I take a risk if my appraiser says the lot is worth $28,000 and i find later no lot has sold in that subdivision for over $24,000. Simple things that can only be verified by duplicating the research down to the inth degree.

How can it be worth it? You are literally wasting all your time reviewing when you could go out and do it.

Futher, the new 1004 makes a liar out of you. If you research comps and the grids asks for the effective date of the data sources and 2 months later you use the same comp....do you go back thru the DB and/or old report to find out exactly what date you researched it? or LIE and say the date you did the research was today?...

Trainees are landmines and until the boards and ASB decides there is a sandbox that they can "play" in (e.g.-SFR houses under $250,000), when is the supervisor going to be able to safely trust their work? I make mistakes. How many more will a trainee make..even one who has 6 mo. experience or more....and I am liable for each and every one of them.

The short answer is that I am not sticking my neck out for a trainee as some effort "for the good of the profession." I owe TAF, ASB, or my state board nothing, certainly not respect. They are not here to serve and protect me, they are here to punish me. Only sheer luck makes my interpretation of USPAP and theirs anywhere near congruent.

If the ASB and states will consider less than 100% liability for a trainer, Provide a much simplified USPAP which is NOT a moving target, and require the state investigators to operate on a reasoned level with national standards for training the INVESTIGATOR....then I might consider a trainee. Otherwise, I do not feel obliged to train anyone and if there are no other appraisers around when I am gone...tough. Not my problem. Let the same government who screwed it up fix it.

I guess I'm one of the lucky ones who's being trained by someone who demands
Yes, you are.
 
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