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How often do you actually get an appraisal order if they want a free comp check first and you won&#3

  • Never

    Votes: 207 30.8%
  • Maybe 1 out of 100 calls like that

    Votes: 107 15.9%
  • About 1 out of 50 calls like that

    Votes: 94 14.0%
  • About 1 out of 10 calls like that

    Votes: 117 17.4%
  • About 1 out of 5 calls like that

    Votes: 94 14.0%
  • I ALWAYS talk them into the order without giving a value first

    Votes: 53 7.9%

  • Total voters
    671
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. I'm not sure that all the appraisers in town got the message however.


Even if they got it, most don't get it. What they are giving though is in all likelihood ranges of values and hence an appraisal. Most probably in an oral reporting format. That's okay,they can do that, provided they have a work file that contains all the requisite data and information to produce a written report in accordance to SR 2-2(b). You know little things like: identifying the client, intended users, intended use, type & definition of value, SOW, effective date, assumptions, extraordinary assumptions & hypothetical conditions (if they apply), limiting conditions and certifications signed and dated in accordance to SR 2-3. Mind you they must have one for every "comp check" I mean "appraisal" they perform and must, at a minimum, retain that work file for five years. Naturally, as a business decision, your policy is not to charge for the service. The problem is only the one's that meet a clients minimum value threshold actually become paid assignments. What does that say about a going concern?
 
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We don't do "comp" checks, period. For good clients, we will provide settled sales data within their defined neighborhood boundaries.

BINGO!! You win the prize!
 
Sorry that I am late responding, I've been busy doing comp checks.

Personally, I feel that the oft maligned comp check is actually a value added tool that makes the industry run smoother. We developed a one page restricted use appraisal report that is quick, easy and actually USPAP compliant. Since a large number of our searches turn into orders the 5 year work file retention is not a major issue.

See USPAP for reporting instructions.
 
See USPAP for reporting instructions.

I must of been sleeping during that part. Be a sport will you? Post a sterile copy of the one page restricted use appraisal report that is quick, easy and actually USPAP compliant.

Super!

And don't be shy in helping yourself to some punch and cookies.
 
Its a waste of time.....

I won't waste a second on the phone with someone who is fishing. Besides wasting my time, it is usually the attitude that has me wanting to reach through the phone and grabbing these folks by the neck. Truth be told, I'm unlisted (except for a few internet listings) so I don't entertain many of these calls these days. I recently had a person call me and complain that my appraisal was $10K less than I "promised" before I did the appraisal. I informed him that I didn't do the appraisal and we had never discussed anything. Any appraisal he had in hand was not from my company....minute of silence, the obilgatory "oh yeah" and the hang up.
 
I must of been sleeping during that part. Be a sport will you? Post a sterile copy of the one page restricted use appraisal report that is quick, easy and actually USPAP compliant.

Super!

And don't be shy in helping yourself to some punch and cookies.
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I have to agree with TE - Post a copy of a sterile report. Oh, don't forget to post the SOW and C&LC that go with it. I mean, your vast experience as a cert. res. appraiser should provide us with a vast wealth of knowledge of how we could be wrong and just where we're missing the boat by scoring all these big jobs. Oh, and BTW, how are you getting around certification 18?:shrug:
Mark Raney said:
Sorry that I am late responding, I've been busy doing comp checks.

Personally, I feel that the oft maligned comp check is actually a value added tool that makes the industry run smoother. We developed a one page restricted use appraisal report that is quick, easy and actually USPAP compliant. Since a large number of our searches turn into orders the 5 year work file retention is not a major issue.

See USPAP for reporting instructions.
And FWIW, AMBR, of which I'm sure a member, has a monthly Appraisers Council meeting that you should plan on attending. You could get some other helpful information there as well. Real helpful.:glare:
 
Rescind AO-19 .................need an appraisal ORDER ONE and pay for it!
 
Mark,

While what you say ruffles many feathers here, my own included, the fact of the matter is, you're here and you're willing to discuss the issue. I value that, and will attempt my best to make good use of this opportunity.

Yes, there are ways to remain USPAP compliant and perform this service, but bear in mind.....it's far more work than it's worth 99% of the time. We are not philanthropists. The old 'I just don't want to waste my borrower's money....' has probably played on all our heart strings at one point or another until you consider the reality of the situation.

We are professionals. This is what we do for a living. Our time is worth something, or at least it should be. Your doctor won't give you a 'health check' over the phone to avoid an office visit fee. (extenuating circumstances exist from time to time, but it's not a service
they offer as a rule)

The termite inspector won't give an opinion without doing his job and getting paid.

An attorney charges you by the 10th of an hour for simple phone calls.

Your doctor and your dentist will charge you for their time and opinion, whether it makes you happy or not. You need to know the truth, right?

This is likely one of the only professions where our customers try and get away with this behaviour. The loan officer/mortgage broker sees us as a necessary evil to get past. Fine. So be it. The investor writing that check to fund the mortgage, however, probably sees it a bit different and is counting on our truthful and unbiased opinion.

Back to the 'wasting my borrower's money' nonsense. Think for a moment what these loan officers stand to make with a successful closing. It's far more than what us fee for service folks make. That's the deal with commissioned sales...there's a risk involved and time invested does not always pay on every deal. Does that heartfelt concern for their borrower's money remain in tact when it comes to the LO's fees and commission? Think they're sharpening their pencil and shaving off all the unnecessary charges, point spread premiums, etc. when it would benefit their own pockets? Doubtful, isn't it?

Let's expand on that 'wasted' issue. What are they paying for? Think past the 'rubber stamp to loan closing' mentality they have for a minute. They're paying for an opinion of value. It's not our job to insure a mortgage to thier liking or desires. They need to know the value of the collateral. If the number doesn't suit their desires, I can't help that, but they still got some useful information. They found out the true value of their home, and the fact that they may need to re-group on an approach to financial bliss. Sometimes it's a re-group back to financial health.

When I tell someone the truth that doesn't meet their expectations, it's about as much fun as telling my screaming 2 year old she doesn't need a 3rd popsicle. She won't thank me, but we're doing the right thing.

When we do this 'comp check' thing, and we tell someone the bad news, what do you think is going to happen? They will exhaust all appraiser contacts in hopes that someone will give them their magic number, right? They still have that $zzz fee stashed away from not making this month's mortgage payment (the loan officer said this was OK as we're going to close before it hits 30 days past due. :sad: ) and they search for the guy or gal who's willing to be an accomplice in their ill fated plan. Don't get me wrong here, I won't pad my own pockets with someone's last dollar when I can tell from 10 miles out we're way off. But then, I won't be taken advantage of by that value shopping person that's been living way beyond their means and using the house as the annual ATM either.

Sorry to ramble here, but over the years, we've beaten this issue into the ground with pages and pages of posts. I'd doing my best to offer the condensed version.
 
Thanks for the cookies TE.
Otis, it sounds like you may have fought this fight before. I will prepare for the barrage.


Restricted Use Appraisal Report
This Report is limited to Client use only.
This report may not be fully understood without additional information in the appraiser’s work file.

Client: _____________________________________________

Intended Use: To assist client in making a lending decision. May not be used to apply for loan.

Subject property address and/or legal description: _________________

Range of market value: Between $______________and $________________
Value obtained for this report may not be similar to value obtained doing a full appraisal.

Effective date of appraisal and report: ______________________

Additional notes: __________________________________________

Property interest appraised: Fee simple

Marketability: At this time property values appear stable, demand in balance and marketing time approx. 3-6 months.

Definition of market value (from FIRREA): The most probable price which a property should bring in a competitive and open market under all conditions requisite to a fair sale, the buyer and seller each acting prudently and knowledgeably, and assuming the price is not affected by undue stimulus. Implicit in this definition is the consummation of a sale as of a specified date and the passing of title from seller to buyer under conditions whereby: 1) buyer and seller are typically motivated; 2) both parties are well informed or well advised and acting in what they consider their own best interests; 3) a reasonable time is allowed for exposure in the open market: 4) payment is made in terms of cash in U.S. dollars or in terms of financial arrangements comparable thereto; 5) the price represents the normal consideration for the property sold unaffected by special or creative financing or sales concessions created by anyone associated with the sale.

Scope of work: This scope is defined by the reporting requirements of this appraisal report form, including definition of market value, expanded scope and certifications. The appraiser or appraisal office at a minimum; 1) Researched the Multiple Listing Service for a description of the subject. If no listing was found, information from the lender and/or reliable source was used. 2) Researched MLS for properties that were similar in size, quality, location and other attributes relevant to this assignment. 3) Looked at a map to verify subject location. 4) Entered analysis in report.
Please note: No physical inspection of the subject or comparable properties was performed and no verification of sales data or financial terms was performed. We limit our liability to the client and then only for the fee collected.

State all extraordinary assumptions and hypothetical conditions: The extraordinary assumption is made that the subject and recent comparable sales are in similar and typical condition for the neighborhood and that no condition exists that would affect the opinion of market value. If this assumption is found to be false it could affect the market value. We reserve the right to amend the report over disparities. No hypothetical conditions were used.

Reconciliation: Using primarily qualitative methods a sales comparison approach to value was applied, which is considered for this analysis the only applicable approach to value. The cost and income approaches are considered irrelevant to this report and were not used.

Appraiser’s certification: I certify that to the best of my knowledge and belief: The statements of fact contained in this report are true and correct. The reported analyses, opinions, and conclusions are limited only by the reported assumptions and limiting conditions and are my personal, impartial, and unbiased professional analyses, opinions and conclusions. I have no (or the specified) present or prospective interest in the property that is the subject of this report and no (or the specified) personal interest with respect to the parties involved. I have no bias with respect to the property that is the subject of this report or the parties involved with this assignment. My engagement in this assignment was not contingent upon developing or reporting predetermined results. My compensation for completing this assignment is not contingent upon the development or reporting of a predetermined value opinion, the attainment of a stipulated result, or the occurrence of a subsequent event directly related to the intended use of this appraisal. My analyses opinions, and conclusions were developed, and this report has been prepared in conformity with the Uniform Standards of Professional Appraisal Practice. I have not made a personal inspection of the property that is the subject of this report. No one provided significant real property appraisal assistance to the person signing this certification unless otherwise stated in this report.

Signature: Name: Date of signature and report:

State and Certification#: Expiration date of certification:
 
Mr. Raney you will no doubt score points with the loan officers and fee shop comp check machines who never fail to applaud these type of actions.
 
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