Phil Crawford Podcast

[TerryRohrer]

the seeking out of Phil's home address in an effort to isolate the specific market data Phil used in his waiver example graphs was totally unprofessional, if not a potential USPAP violation. Argue on.

Can you share which USPAP provisions have been violated?

It is always funny to see folks who demand attention crying when they get it!

 

[George Hatch]

Did you miss GH's post where he called Phil Crawford a 'pimp'?

For the record, when Phil Crawford asked me who George Hatch was, I told him he was an old timer like myself, but who thinks he a legend. I NEVER said GH was a legend. I respect GH on many levels, but the seeking out of Phil's home address in an effort to isolate the specific market data Phil used in his waiver example graphs was totally unprofessional, if not a potential USPAP violation. Argue on.

You too? Did you read the offending passage for yourself or are you just taking someone else's word that I called PC a pimp? Because I've used this particular line a number of times in the completely different context and not in the trafficking of prostitutes



Read it for yourself and then come back and tell me that you think I called him a pimp within the context you have apparently interpreted.

And for the last time, I didn't find the property in question by looking him up. As far as I know he doesn't even live in that immediate neighborhood as depicted on that map. I found it because he posted the price and date for his subject and all his comps and because I know he works in Cincinnatti. Search Zillow for $430k transactions (only) in that area, sort by "newest first" and scroll until the one singular date pops up. None of the sales in the default view fit the date so I scrolled one level out and there it was. 5 minutes max.

Anyone can do it and by now several people have. It took me a lot longer to find the County and navigate their property search setup to verify these sales and the point that their reported ownership doesn't include PC.

 

[Joyce Potts]

Okay, I found it. Here's what Mr. Crawford actually said.

"Mr. Hatch.... I would respectfully request that you wait until I release the final report on my "Data Cancer" analysis. It will be out in January.
Please review and then feel free to crucify me at will".

My mistake, I thought he said contact him. But it was to review the final analysis then comment. I still stand by my comment though. As the host of an appraisal radio show, one would think that he would contact DW prior to throwing him under the bus.

Henceforth, if you ever need help with the big words, feel free to contact me.

 

[Joyce Potts]

Can you share which USPAP provisions have been violated?

It is always funny to see folks who demand attention crying when they get it!

Had I put out a graph using those sales as Phil Crawford did, and someone like GH isolated my personal residence in an effort to narrow down (in my backyard) the sales to do his research, despite geographic incompetency, then published on social media those sales with specificity in an effort to dispute Phil's generic example, and I was THAT homeowner with the waiver or any homeowner that GH referred to, I'd be feeling some kind of confidentiality had been breached. And that is a potential USPAP violation. Is that specific enough?

Sales involving a waiver are NOT public record. But thanks to George and social media, we all now know which sale and homeowner involved a waiver. Good job, George!

 

[TerryRohrer]

Had I put out a graph using those sales as Phil Crawford did, and someone like GH isolated my personal residence in an effort to narrow down (in my backyard) the sales to do his research, despite geographic incompetency, then published on social media those sales with specificity in an effort to dispute Phil's generic example, and I was THAT homeowner with the waiver or any homeowner that GH referred to, I'd be feeling some kind of confidentiality had been breached. And that is a potential USPAP violation. Is that specific enough?

At least 100% BS (aside from the parts that are flatly false), but specific enough clarify that there is no there there! One last question, though. Can you provide the specifics of the cases where appraisers have reprimanded by their boards for such actions? Even one would suffice.

 

[BRCJR]

Had I put out a graph using those sales as Phil Crawford did, and someone like GH isolated my personal residence in an effort to narrow down (in my backyard) the sales to do his research, despite geographic incompetency, then published on social media those sales with specificity in an effort to dispute Phil's generic example, and I was THAT homeowner with the waiver or any homeowner that GH referred to, I'd be feeling some kind of confidentiality had been breached. And that is a potential USPAP violation. Is that specific enough?

What is the violation? Everything mentioned is a matter of public record. Please educate me as I do not understand how information that is accessible by and to the public can go toward confidentiality.

 

[Bobby Bucks]

Did you miss GH's post where he called Phil Crawford a 'pimp'?

I didn't see that, I haven't been following all of these threads and only saw this one today.

 

[Joyce Potts]

You too? Did you read the offending passage for yourself or are you just taking someone else's word that I called PC a pimp? Because I've used this particular line a number of times in the completely different context and not in the trafficking of prostitutes

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Read it for yourself and then come back and tell me that you think I called him a pimp within the context you have apparently interpreted.

And for the last time, I didn't find the property in question by looking him up. As far as I know he doesn't even live in that immediate neighborhood as depicted on that map. I found it because he posted the price and date for his subject and all his comps and because I know he works in Cincinnatti. Search Zillow for $430k transactions (only) in that area, sort by "newest first" and scroll until the one singular date pops up. None of the sales in the default view fit the date so I scrolled one level out and there it was. 5 minutes max.

Anyone can do it and by now several people have. It took me a lot longer to find the County and navigate their property search setup to verify these sales and the point that their reported ownership doesn't include PC.

Joyce was out pimping to make ends meet due to appraiser fee decline. Other's, like Joyce, who also pimp, are also advocating that pimping is a viable way to supplement income. Joyce, and others doing the same thing, are pimps.

 

[BRCJR]

I didn't see that, I haven't been following all of these threads and only saw this one today.

Not sure I could say this is calling someone a pimp.

 

[George Hatch]

Had I put out a graph using those sales as Phil Crawford did, and someone like GH isolated my personal residence in an effort to narrow down (in my backyard) the sales to do his research, despite geographic incompetency, then published on social media those sales with specificity in an effort to dispute Phil's generic example, and I was THAT homeowner with the waiver or any homeowner that GH referred to, I'd be feeling some kind of confidentiality had been breached. And that is a potential USPAP violation. Is that specific enough?

No client = No assignment. And given his well known advocacy for the data cancer talking point there isn't anyone who would expect him to act objectively in such an analysis. Confidentiality requirements don't apply when acting outside the role. He's 1000% entitled to hold and share his opinions and to passionately advocate his opinions, but USPAP doesn't apply to conduct outside of appraisal practice.

And since we're playing fast and loose with the words we're using, here's a clip from the source as to what "confidential information" actually means as that applies to appraisal practice.



Information doesn't become confidential simply because an appraiser is handling it. That instruction has been around for years, too.