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Realtor Bashing

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Well, guess I am an appraiser, a REALTOR®, and probably a retard too...based the calls the last month. Seems I always have to correct something in a report...such as ..."two boxes checked, which is correct?" or marking the date of sale 06/30/2009 instead of 2008. The last one was using a short sale in an RELO assignment as a comp. They didn't like that at all.

Probably comes from being too busy...4 new assignments today. Got 3 on Thursday and Friday while gone fishing. Of course, could be I am just getting old. Oh wait, I am old. LOL.
 
You'll never curtail bashing, it just goes with a public forum. Appraisers are bashed here along with almost every other profession whether related to appraising or not. That's just life.
Personally, I despise the NAR more than I do their members. I likewise have less respect for the Appraisal organizations than the individual appraisers.. but do we need to rehash the reason Skippy got his name and Realtards got theirs?

When I first got into the biz about 1992, I recall being pillared by the experienced Realtors who criticized my work and I took it because I was new at the game. Nevertheless I took time to think about their motivation. Its the compensation. Otherwise why would they care? Anything that revolves around commission work is suspect in any profession. Architect fees, cost plus building contracts, whatever...
Once I had a Realtor whine about my appraisal ($84,000) when the previous appraiser had done it for $88,000...the banker relented and hired the old appraiser who came upon with $92,000. The Realtor assured me that he could get $92,000 out of it easy... 450 days later...it sold for $82,000. The seller who had used this property for a down payment on another property that I had appraised at sales price, proceeded to refi with another bank for even more..He was foreclosed on within 1 year. Had the sap accepted my appraisal A-he'd not bought the other property, not went under, and not lost his first property. I reminded the Realtor of that a few months later...he hung his head and muttered something about poor management. ha.

As for the idea that the best appraisers were brokers from the old days, well, some are pretty good and many appraisers in the 70's 80's had to have a brokers license to appraise. But that didn't stop the S & L Crisis either did it? So what good are we? We certainly are not the firewall that we should have been.

The best appraisers, imho, are those who show an interest in being professional. A banker or an assessor comes from a background that easily has experience that can equal that of any RE pro turned appraiser. Someone with a background history of buying and selling their own property (I personally have never went thru a Realtor to buy or sell any property), who can read legal descriptions, how understands construction, etc. also has specialized knowledge. But fact is, no profession will cross train you any more than appraising.
I see appraisers attempt to value walnut trees in a fence row - I have one where $20,000 without further explanation was applied to 200 ± walnut trees. I seriously doubt they understood that trees in a fence row likely have wire embedded in them and few walnut buyers will accept fence line trees. I see dozens of properties with significant mineral rights being arm-waved appraised or dismissed as having "no value"... how stupid.

In fact, I have concluded that what we are asked to do is basically impossible. I also think that no less than 3 people should appraise any given property and do so as a committee. As property rights become more and more restricted and as houses become ever more complex, i think valuing homes will become harder and harder and AVMs even less accurate...but they are the wave of the future.
 
When I first joined this forum I was quite shocked at the animosity shown to Realtors.
The Realtors around here are extremely professional and very prepared and willing to assist in any way they can. I find them an invaluable source of information and - as a general rule - honest.
Most Realtors strive to price their listings to be competitive.
I find them to be a most competent bunch and willing to help in any way they can. Realtors are also a great source of work - particularly when they have a difficult property to list or they need help convincing a seller that his price is too high. Several Realtors around here will pay for half the appraisal fee - and the seller pays the other half - in order to determine a sensible list price.
T
P.S. I also have my Brokers license and use it several times a year - mostly for referrals.
 
A theory.

It seems to me that most of the established appraisers have one or two very good real estate contacts, which are professional, courteous, etc...

It would seem that appraisers drag them out as the exception every time we get on this type of thread.

The bottom line for me, and my relationship with ANYONE, let alone realtors is this:

Respect is freely given, and in the light of the forthcoming relationship, it is either earned or burned.

I can honestly say that in all of my dealings with realtors in my county, I have only witnessed one realtor in the whole bunch that is consistent in following her own rules, and doesn't just make up things to try to get the appraisal to come in on target, or try to get me to look the other way, or try to convince me that unfinished attic space is worth 75 dollars a foot, when the 1st floor is worth around 90.

I have never met a realtor who has managed to maintain the respect I freely give them at the outset...well, one.(one agency, one or two realtors)

I think that the appraisers who got in the business before me so covet the relationship they have with the good realtors in this town, that I will never get the chance to meet them...they don't need me.

I am left picking through the dregs trying to find the next good realtor.

I will let you know when I do.
 
I am both. I dont practice brokerage anymore.

Reealtors are cool dudes and dudettes until it comes to one of there sales.

Then they assume the role of Client Advocate, which is exactly what they are required to do by agency law. No if's and's or but's about it.

Problem is that many Realtors dont care squat or are to stupid to understand about the appraisers role as a non-advocate, an unbiased disinterested party.

I have met both good and bad realtors. Such is life.
 
Realtors are licensed prostitutes. They'll love you till the deal is done.

It's the work they do, think Appraising is competive?? think how much competition in just one RE Agent office. As in all walks of life there are GOOD & BAD in the RE Agent field. Unfortunately as in Appraising during the "BOOM" there were many that became RE Agents that might not have been the best candidates.

IF we were to take it by numbers, we'd probably find that the percentage of BAD in RE Agents, is very similar to the same in Appraisers, M/B's, Lenders & even those that work for AMC's.

Think about a RE Agent looking to get a loan through in today's market!!! Not only are the rules changing weekly, but the lender that could "do the deal" when called, is out of business by the time all the paper work is submitted.
 
Karl
I am reminded that during slow times, the tendency is that Realtors seems to be a lot more humble. When the deals are flying their way, that's when they seem to be all over an appraiser who comes in short. "you don't understand our market." You would think that it would be the opposite.
Also, there are timid Realtors who always fall out during downturns because they get undercut by people in their own office...steal their leads, poach their clients, etc. If there is one complaint that is the most common it has to be a sales agent complaining that their Broker divvied up the pie in favor of the broker. Frankly, the relationship between brokers/agents and agency/agency is far worst than broker/appraiser.

an example? A fellow i know listed 3 new houses from a builder and the builder listed 2 with a local Caldwell-Banker agency. The broker for C-B called the builder and told him that they should list all of them with him because "the other broker isn't a good salesman..." The builder gave the fellow the listing because they were high school friends. The guy held open houses at his 3 for weeks and finally sold 2 of them, then someone else sold the third. Only after the first one sold did C-B decide to hold an open house but that didn't stop the broker from keeping up the mantra of needing to drop the other guy. Finally, the builder told him, "you have my listings only because I am trying to keep peace with my Ex who works for you. If she quits, I will withdraw your listings, not his."....that finally shut him up temporarily. The builder had an unlisted house that he was working on and the guy came up with a buyer, got the listing, and showed it. C-B found out & threatened to take him to the RE board claiming they had shown it first and had an "oral" listing with the builder's brother. They suddenly shut up with the builder's ex was forced to resign C-B when it was found out she was having an affair with the husband of a woman from whom she had listed a house. The lady threatened C-B with a lawsuit.

If I can tell that story, I can tell a hundred more just as bad.
 
I was a R.E Broker for 10 years , I must do penance.Forgive me for I do not know what I have done.In my office 2 out of 10 Realtors (Trademarked) were great to work with.The other 8 went to lunch , literally and figuratively..
 
It's not only appraisers

Look up any poll and Real Estate Brokers are way down the list. In the Harris Poll they are at the bottom in prestige.

Harris Poll

I am not sure what value being prestigious is but Real Estate people are not regarded as having much.

Six occupations are perceived to have "very great" prestige by at least half of all adults - firefighters (61%), scientists (54%), teachers (54%), doctors (52%), military officers (52%), and nurses (50%). They are followed by police officers (46%) priests/ministers/clergy (42%) and farmers (41%).

By way of contrast, the list includes ten occupations which are perceived by less than 20 percent of adults to have "very great" prestige, with two of these under 10 percent. The lowest ratings for "very great prestige" go to real estate brokers (5%),

Maybe they laugh all the way to the bank.

I took the Real Estate Ethics Course and some of the material documents that the general public ranks real estate people in some polls lower than used car salesmen.

I agree with most of the polls when late at night I trying to decipher MLS listings or when the buyer's agent is suggesting com parables to support the value of the sales contract. Apparently, during the license education, no time is spent on writing accurate listings and not much time is spent on how to ethically represent buyers. Then I change my mind during the day when one makes a special effort to help me gain access to a property or comes up with some info that is hard to obtain.

I know many who could be sisters of "Bonnie Boom Boom", Bobby Buck's nemesis, the "realator" from hell.
 
If you would allow me to vent for a moment I would appreciate it?

If I walk into another new home sales office and hear "you're the only appraiser who ever asked for that", I am going to punch someone right in the mouth!

Thank you....I feel better now.
 
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