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The word "Average" in the improvements section - possible bias?

Have yous ever done any rehabing to say the difference between c3 & c4 could be miniscule. The cost to bring a c4 close to a c3. How many people just stop spending the money at almost c3 condition.
oh wait honey, i still like that c4 look, we are done. I know, I know, there are exceptions, but they are rare. I know, I know, not in your area.
The problem is that c4 has a very wide effective age range with different parts in different eff ages. they should have had a c4, c4+, c4- or some such designation without having to write a paragraph on the differences.
 
Higher, lower, average, etc, are neutral descriptive terms. The problem lies in that Average has two meanings - one is average for condition or features, the other is average as middle ground or typical when compared to others of its kind,
 
the definition of independent is not controlled by others in action or thought...don't expect a former asb chair to understand that :rof: :rof: :rof:
 
If quantify is the basis, then having say 5 categories suggests 100% 80% 60% 40% 20% 0% - that's a pretty broad range, especially when you are striving for 5% accuracy range... So, do we use C1-C20? Do we do like school grades and grade on the curve? Do we say 50% is failing and tighten the designations up to 10% within each range. I mean all this is subjective no matter how you slice the cake. At least Bert's suggestion is based upon a numerical calculus.

Which is exactly the problem.

Percent of what? You don't want any categories!! Because a category implies a definition, which invariably requires subjective judgement.

If you are saying: We are going to RANK these properties by residual, and then divide the ranking into classes by your percentages, - I am going to say, well if I decide to expand my definition of the Market Area, all of these classifications would very well change. In fact, in the initial analysis stage, we may discover information that indicates we need to contract or expand our definition of the subject market area for all kinds of reasons. That can have unpleasant downstream effects. To have your properties in the Sales Grid when you do occasional revisions can be problem. But if the score changes from 7.92 to 8.05, because you altered the market area, --- yes that would be acceptable, no one would question that. You don't really need to explain that particular change, you just say you decided to expand the market area for this or that reason, and the change resulted in a slight change to the scores. Acceptable!

Let's get away from categories, because we really don't need them. They are just a headache.

Besides, CQA scores based on ranking properties by Residual (or better Residual/SF) produce Residual/CQA graphs that are very stable for market areas. You can expand or contract a your boundaries for a market area, but that curve will not change much at all. Each market area has a "characteristic" curve. Here are two, one is a standard Residual vs CQA, while the other is Residual/SF vs CQA. Notice the left and right sides, which show a vary steep decline or increase in the residual price as we move toward the extremes in quality. I might find a subject that fits very well between two houses, one with a score of 0.30 and one with a score of 0.24, which map to residuals of -$50,000 and -70,000, so I give the subject a residual of -$60,000. This value minus the corresponding residuals for each comparable on the sales grid, will give my my total residual adjustment to be broken up into variabls as I see fit, subject to the constraint that the sum of all such adjustments would have to equal that difference. If the residual for Comp 1 is $10,000, then the difference would be -$70,000 - $10,000 = -$80,000. That -$80,000 might then be broken up into: Condition: -$30,000, Quality: -$30,000, Design: $30,000, Functional Utility: -20,000, Yard/Landscaping: -$30,000. -$30,000 + (-$30,000) + ($30,000) + (-$20,000) - $30,000. = -$80,000
Burlingame, CA

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Pacifica, CA
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You need a way to objectively MEASURE the market reaction to these variables that are innately unmeasurable by objective means.

It sounds contradictory, right?

But this is the real MAGIC of the RCA method. It is a kind of TRAP that indirectly captures market reaction to this illusive group of unmeasurable subjective variables that, thanks to mathematics, make it is as accurate as you can imagine - in fact far more accurate. This all presumes of course, that you can build a good MARS model.



 
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Absolutely not. All of the adjustments, for both measured and unmeasured variables, must be tied to the net sale price, the adjusted sales prices and the SCA value conclusion - unequivocally - and your method needs to be subject to mathematical proofs.

So you are so far from understanding this, despite your degree in mathematics, it is absurd. Ad hominem? Well, it is just a question of time before I make your statement more ludicrous than you can imagine.

At least you have the courage to respond. I thought maybe you had me on ignore. I find it hard to believe you haven't figured out the math yet. But, yeah, I guess we can't be that surprised.

Certainly, within the unmeasured variables, you can have a certain amount of explanatory adjustments so that the appraiser can explain as well as possible why the residual is what it is. Whatever he does, his residual or subjective adjustments for the unmeasured variables such as condition, quality, functional utility - or whatever he feels is appopriate must be derived from corresponding value contributions for these variables. -and the sum of such value contributions must exactly equal the residual for that property with the sum of the measured value contributions equaling the regression price estimate for the property and the sum of both subtotals equal to the net sale price. In this case, if the work is done correctly all adjusted sale prices will be exactly equal - no weighting required - and would equal as well the final value conclusion from the SCA. That is all dots connected.

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I have seen many of your reports. The math is not difficult to follow. You don’t use any math that i did not learn in high school.
Mostly I choose not to respond to you for other reasons - mainly your inability to compose a single post devoid of ad hominem.

It has been my experience that the smartest person in the room is usually not the person always talking about being the smartest person in the room. Your experience, and the experience of others here, may differ.
 
I have seen many of your reports. The math is not difficult to follow. You don’t use any math that i did not learn in high school.
That is correct, if you are talking about the Excel spreadsheet I presented you with the algebraic proofs. The fact they are so simple should be a point of shame for appraisal organizations and GSEs. These things should have been discovered decades ago - especially by corporations with very fat budgets. Shame! Shame!

But to handle the entire workflow required, - with some understanding, you actually have to understand some more advanced college mathematics, including upper division statistics. It would be good know issues about ranking and other non-parametric methods, including classification and regression trees. This is indeed AI, AI used in facial recognition and so on. You need to know R or Python, and R isn't that simple in practice. You also need experience using MARS with valuation, to tie everything together. A good 2-3 years of that.

I would say with your degree in mathematics from Vanderbuiilt, you have a start in undestanding the methods. But you could be only 10-20% of the way. I don't know, because you never respond to my posts with any substantive arguments, because your are too concerned with SILLY issues.

Mostly I choose not to respond to you for other reasons - mainly your inability to compose a single post devoid of ad hominem.
Well, well, you are so sensitive! My gosh. What's the world come to,.

Back in the days when I was a Drill Sergeant, as a side job. ....

It has been my experience that the smartest person in the room is usually not the person always talking about being the smartest person in the room.
I would give you an Elon Musk question: Who is the smartest person in the "room." Give me a name. Oh yea, give me a name. Most of the top appraisers I have come accross are essentially not very smart at all when it comes to analysis.

[Your experience, and the experience of others here, may differ.
I'm not so flaky as to be concerned about "who is the smartest person in the room."

I look at the world directly as I see it, do my analysis and try to actually improve the world for eternity. That is my religion.

I think your religion is nothing more than working at Freddie Mac or wherever to build up your retirement. I'd guess you have relatively little interest in improving the world. That your primary interest is getting to retirement, of course your family and friends, but not much else. That is just a guess. But, based on my observations of your posts. Of course, that is better I suppose than most appraisers, who apparently never think about retirement until it is too late, their health demolished and die of a heart attack around the age of 60-65. So you are a notch above the rest, let's be clear about that.

But, going back to that video by Bustamente, the world in the CIA's view, is full of dumb ****s who don't just don't care. They are right. Nonetheless, Bustamente says he "loves" Americans. Well, that is indeed certainly possible. Are you going to demonize Bustamente for saying most Americans are dumb ****s, - although he still "loves" them. In his mind, backed by the CIA, that is arguably fact.

Or, would we rather demoniize the leadrers who do not care for the average American or America - but are 100% consumed with their retirement, and their own personal status in the world - and above all, it appears, concerned about not being subjected to any kind of criticism.
 
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By the way, anything that I accidentally say about DW on this forum is intended mostly for the GSEs and the appraisal establishment. I certainly don't know DW outside of his posts, and for all I know, working for FM, he is restricted in what he can post. Add to that, we all have limited time to review our AF posts - with other work to do - and so it is assumed that all posts are at least a little rough around the edges.

My only concern is whether I am wasting my time trying to respond to things I don't agree to or have invalid logic that should be corrected or are indeed filled with so-called "ad hominems" which are defined to be attacks against a persons character.

I generalize DW behavior as representing the average "leader" in the appraisal establishment and or Freddie Mac or even the GSEs in general. Probably I am not far off --- but my observations are nonetheless superficial as I have never ever met DW, and am on the other side of the country. Of course I give weight to the Glassdoor.com comments about the internal administration of Freddie Mac, noting for example, the reported salaries and comments that managers there are obsessed with promotions and pay, rather than solutions, - and that they are only concerned about getting to retirement. These comments are pretty much the same for Fannie Mae, and neither set of comments as bad as those for the Appraisal Institute for example. Although note that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac (in particular) have very much higher salariies than the AI - which seems to be struggling to stay afloat.

As to DW himself, as an individual, he does appear on this forum as a representative of Freddie Mac. And so it is, that his personality and character are somewhat clouded by the organization he works for. But for all I know, he has other points of view that differ from his employer, although I have never seen any indication of that.
 
Average is an objective term. It's a statistical constant that represents a single value within a range of data that describes the whole. Objective terms are based on facts that are not influenced by personal beliefs or biases.

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Be objective when writing things like summaries or news articles, but feel free to be subjective for arguments and opinions.

So your Opinion of market Value in a 1004 is Subjective!

That is why Homeowners and others often don't agree with your Opinion.
Yes and No. The vast majority of people do not use the word 'average' in its objective sense. When you say that the improvements are in average overall condition, you are making a subjective judgement. It's not measurable... at least not in the context of the data you have and have analyzed.
 
If quantify is the basis, then having say 5 categories suggests 100% 80% 60% 40% 20% 0% - that's a pretty broad range, especially when you are striving for 5% accuracy range... So, do we use C1-C20? Do we do like school grades and grade on the curve? Do we say 50% is failing and tighten the designations up to 10% within each range. I mean all this is subjective no matter how you slice the cake. At least Bert's suggestion is based upon a numerical calculus.

Which is exactly the problem.
No doubt there aren't enough buckets - as evidenced by the fact that 90% of homes are placed in the Q4 and C3 buckets...
 
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