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Glenn -appraisers to form our OWN national high visibility website to feed off of Zillow and develop a new suite of consumer friendly products, not just join Home Advsior ( which I have not heard of providing any substantial income to anyone).

I'm aging out of the profession but would contribute $ and effort to it. If appraisers stay small minded, join Home Adivsor or organizations, we will be swept aside and I suppose deserve it for not being able to do for ourselves what needs to be done.
 
="Non Sequitur, post: 2857374, member: 66647". But I'll say this, my personal experience with that process measured the time to order in hours, and I'm confident the VaCAP numbers are a joke.I don't fault the ASA for the letter,


Well you must be special. I am looking at a fully executed contract signed on 7/14. I received the appraisal request on 7/24. That's 10 days right there between contract and assignment date. 5 business days to complete the report. That's 15 days

I am looking at another executed contract dated 2/15/2018 with an executed addendum dated 3/26/2018 that states and extension to close on 5/14/2018. I received the appraisal request on 7/24. How many months is this?

I have countless similar contracts that correlate an avg of 10 day or more days. So no, because I see it over and over again and have these contracts in my files I do not for a minute believe Vcap numbers ASA states are a joke.
 
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People have to stop being naive . The fact that the feds are on board with lender interests to marginalize appraisers/appraisals from mainstream lending has nothing , or little to do with delays, saving borrowers $ or a supposed appraiser shortage. Those serve as rationalizations .

It's about speeding up the process to benefits lenders bottom line, at expense of risk and borrowers rushed into making important financial decisions and commitments.

This administration takes a wrecking ball approach, dismantling legislation and entities that protect consumers, the environment, education- now it's the housing market's turn! Perhaps appraisers who thought this was a good idea did not foresee the wrecking ball would be swung at their own livelihood.
 
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People have to stop being naive . The fact that the feds are on board with lender interests to marginalize appraisers/appraisals from mainstream lending has nothing , or little to do with delays, saving borrowers $ or a supposed appraiser shortage. Those serve as rationalizations .

It's about speeding up the process to benefits lenders bottom line, at expense of risk and borrowers rushed into making important financial decisions and commitments.

It's called, in legal circles, a red herring. It's a very common - and very weak - technique. It's only used when there is not much substance available to drive a point to a successful conclusion. Only the weakest of adversaries are distracted by it.

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Just like I pointed out earlier... Oh, but we want to talk about joining organizations instead? Maybe even create our own version of Zillow staffed by true professionals? {Gag, Choke, Cough}

Don't buy into this weak "appraisals cause delays" and thus hinder the loan process line of CRAP. If you do, I have a great big bridge to sell you - cheap. Squirrel! (for those that get an inside joke of how stupid people can be!) We even have a letter from a JD from ASA defending appraisal turn times? Drink the Kool-Aid boys!

The proper mode of attack would be to take REAL WORLD facts from the past, i.e. how the S&L meltdown in the 90's lead to FIRREA and licensing of appraisals. Also how the "great" recession brought the ENTIRE country to its knees based on real estate deals.

We need MORE control and HIGHER standards and GREATER accountability. Launch THOSE attacks, which are amply backed up and fortified in the annals of history and therefore CANNOT be argued with.

And finally - it is good to realize that we, as appraisers, do have a voice. It is so small that it doesn't matter though. Ow - the truth stings doesn't it? Well, might as well get used to it now and stop the shrill screeching from a soapbox. Nobody is listening (except us appraisers).

Our organizations have a voice too - and we all know how effective they have been in the past too. Not.

So, not to be one to sit back and complain and do nothing - I have enlisted the aid of the industry that DOES have a big voice, AND a lot of clout. AMCs. They have as much a stake in this as appraisers do, but they have clout, connections, and power. Everything we do not. I have notified several of them of these developments. They can do, in one fell swoop, more than all of us combined could ever hope to do. Ow, there's that stinging sensation again!

Now, if we could please focus on something that is important and will produce some results we might make some headway, and that would be nice.

Or we can do what we all do best. Sit and argue and discuss, and argue some more.
 
I find it ironic that although most real estate appraisers are particularly good at appraising real estate - we are in fact terrible at "appraising" our own profession. We use the same methodology that evolved decades ago - make that over half a century ago! We scream for more protections afforded by government regulations that force clients to use our services whether they want to or not. The Treasury report notes changes across the board in the lending and financial arena. Would it not make sense that it is necessary for the appraisal process to evolve and change.

Don't forget too that 30 years ago most lending was portfolio based and lending decisions were risk managed by collateral. Today the vast majority of loans are not portfolio held, but instead are securitized and sold off to investors who assume the risk. Lending decisions are now managed on credit risk with much less reliance on collateral. Yet we still expect lenders to demand and accept basically the same old URAR appraisal!

Lenders would probably be much more interested in an appraisal product that was more streamlined, but provided more data and more analytics that in turn provides a reliability rating of the value estimate. So why don't we as a profession work toward that solution!?! Yes we should be much more concerned with the needs of our clients because they don't stay the same forever!!
 
I find it ironic that although most real estate appraisers are particularly good at appraising real estate - we are in fact terrible at "appraising" our own profession. We use the same methodology that evolved decades ago - make that over half a century ago! We scream for more protections afforded by government regulations that force clients to use our services whether they want to or not. The Treasury report notes changes across the board in the lending and financial arena. Would it not make sense that it is necessary for the appraisal process to evolve and change.

Don't forget too that 30 years ago most lending was portfolio based and lending decisions were risk managed by collateral. Today the vast majority of loans are not portfolio held, but instead are securitized and sold off to investors who assume the risk. Lending decisions are now managed on credit risk with much less reliance on collateral. Yet we still expect lenders to demand and accept basically the same old URAR appraisal!

Lenders would probably be much more interested in an appraisal product that was more streamlined, but provided more data and more analytics that in turn provides a reliability rating of the value estimate. So why don't we as a profession work toward that solution!?! Yes we should be much more concerned with the needs of our clients because they don't stay the same forever!!

Appraisers do not demand lenders use and accept the URAR,, it is lenders who demand tha the appraisers do a URAR -.because Fannie/FHA/Freddie declared it the gold standard. .

Now entities feel the URAR is too "slow" -THEY , not appraisers are developing alternative products/ appraisal formats. Appraisers could develop a streamlined product full of analytics, but lenders will use whatever Fannie and Freddie dictate they use. (There might be an input period where you could submit your version/ideas to Fannie though.).

I just got an offer for a desktop appraisal for $75. I deleted it because I am still busy with higher paying work.( URAR ) What happens if/when the higher paying work dwindles to very little and the main menu is $ 75 desktops? A reduction of income to 1/4 of what I make now. Got any ideas for that? I don't , except semi retire / downsize and get involved in another endeavor. It may not get that "bad"- or it could. Appraisers need some backup plan in worst case scenario- best case is change is more gradual and URAR or equivalent still ordered for a number of properties....

Of course the market might correct things on its own to a degree...particpants may not embrace being "processed" at warp speed like fast food meals. Borrowers, buyers sellers may balk and RE agents will screamm if more deals are "killed" from the alternate products and non appraiser inspections... will see.
 
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I do have to laugh a bit at the irony of all this garbage about speeding up loans and how it serves the borrower...yeah right, what about if borrowers miss a few payments ? I bet NOTHING changes if that happens, the lender will accelerate the loan and borrower go into default or short sale....still the same old SLOW pain and loss of equity for the borrower- despite new technology/relaxation of regulatins to to process a faster application to closing, loan terms are essentially the same and so are the consequences if a borrower is late/.stops paying.
 
Appraisers do not demand lenders use and accept the URAR,, it is lenders who demand tha the appraisers do a URAR -.because Fannie/FHA/Freddie declared it the gold standard. .

Now entities feel the URAR is too "slow" -THEY , not appraisers are developing alternative products/ appraisal formats. Appraisers could develop a streamlined product full of analytics, but lenders will use whatever Fannie and Freddie dictate they use. (There might be an input period where you could submit your version/ideas to Fannie though.).

I just got an offer for a desktop appraisal for $75. I deleted it because I am still busy with higher paying work.( URAR ) What happens if/when the higher paying work dwindles to very little and the main menu is $ 75 desktops? A reduction of income to 1/4 of what I make now. Got any ideas for that? I don't , except semi retire / downsize and get involved in another endeavor. It may not get that "bad"- or it could. Appraisers need some backup plan in worst case scenario- best case is change is more gradual and URAR or equivalent still ordered for a number of properties....

Of course the market might correct things on its own to a degree...particpants may not embrace being "processed" at warp speed like fast food meals. Borrowers, buyers sellers may balk and RE agents will screamm if more deals are "killed" from the alternate products and non appraiser inspections... will see.


Fannie and Freddie don't require The 1004 because it is the gold standard - they require it because it is government mandated in many loans! They are working real hard to get away from this with waivers.

I'm not suggesting that "hybrids" are the solution. In fact I think they are just a step along the way to a modernized Valuation report. AVMs have been around for decades and although they are getting better, they still fall short, I think because they miss the domain expertise that appraisers provide. These models have limits because all real estate is local, but most models are not locally based. Appraisers local market expertise makes the difference and still beats most models.

I think at the end of the day, if appraisers got smart and organized, we could develop a better mousetrap, so to speak, and end up providing a more useful service that might even be more profitable even at a lower price point. Remember that USPAP has NO inspection requirement. Just a certification statement that you did or did not. Hey change is hard. I'm just suggesting that it might not be so bad in the end!!
 
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