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jennifergrootegoed

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Need help finding better USPAP course. I signed up for one of online well known schools. New online USPAP (as of 01/2010) makes you jump hoops, crawl under fences, and run 1000 yards. Amazing how stupid it is. I don't know what they were thinking. I am guessing it was lets make someone life harder. I am sure they would say lets make someone more accountable and knowlegable. But did they accomplish that?

Well does anyone know of "home study" school not " on line" that will make my life easier. In future I would rather do a live class then press buttons all day like a little rat. Time issue and location issue right now.

Thanks...

Ridiculous...spelled wrong I know
 
Was the issue one of difficulty (tough questions) or one of process (required a lot of interaction which took time)?

In general, I don't see how difficult (tough questions) a USPAP course can be.

Did it take longer than 7-hours on-line to complete? If so, then I can appreciate your frustration. If not, then I'm not sure I understand what the issue is?:new_smile-l:
 
No it is not difficult...

The new FORMAT online....REQUIRES you to hit the space bar for every sentence when you go through reading of the chapters....then you must answer questions in middle of chapters sporatically spaced out....then you must read chapter 2x...hit that space bar....

We are talking 7 chapters x 2 of space bar hitting on every sentence.....then answering questions not at end but mixed all up......

Oh yea...forgot to mention the 3 SECONDS required between the space bar hits....

Yes it is weird....it is annoying....it is time consuming in a bad way....not a learning way....rat on a treadmill way....
 
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I see what you mean. Evidently the need to ensure the student is actively participating in the course is requiring a process that degrades the learning process. That is too bad.

Thanks for clarifying the issue for me. Unfortunately, I have no advice for a correspondence course or an alternative.
However, the last time I took a USPAP course on-line (two-years ago) I took it from the AI. That format was a little different and didn't require a space-bar process to go forward. It did ask questions at the end of each chapter that one was required to pass before moving forward.
 
I just took the exact same course and was also disappointed in the way it is set up. Hitting the space bar was a pain in the butt and I did not like the questions in the middle of each chapter but my biggest issue was that they have disabled their print function.

I like online courses for convenience but I have a hard time staring at the computer screen for 7 hours. Every other time I have taken one of their online classes I printed out each chapter, read, then went back online to answer questions. This was much harder for me and I will take this class live in the future.
 
I just took the exact same course and was also disappointed in the way it is set up. Hitting the space bar was a pain in the butt and I did not like the questions in the middle of each chapter but my biggest issue was that they have disabled their print function.

I like online courses for convenience but I have a hard time staring at the computer screen for 7 hours. Every other time I have taken one of their online classes I printed out each chapter, read, then went back online to answer questions. This was much harder for me and I will take this class live in the future.

Just for the record, they are all like that. You have to "pass and master" the questions. It is the new way the TAF wants online courses set up. My wife had a program that got stuck on the 2nd segment and she took it over and over although she had passed all questions, and in the correct time frome. It was a "program error". They gave her money back and she waited until a live class was available. I hope they keep it this way. Our live classes should pick up.:rof:
 
You can most likely thank your "peers" who had their teenager or secretary take the online courses for them.

Once again the actions of the few affect us all.
 
You can most likely thank your "peers" who had their teenager or secretary take the online courses for them.

Once again the actions of the few affect us all.

I do not know anybody who has admitted to that but I do know a fellow appraiser who went straight to the questions and kept answering them until he got them all right. He said it only took him about 2 1/2 hours for each online class. I bet it takes him longer with this company's new system.

I paid for the class so I want to learn something from it. Even if it takes me the full 7 hours to complete the course online I save gas and driving time. I do not understand people sometimes. It does not pay to cheat.
 
I took mine from McKissock last year, didn't have any problems.
 
You can most likely thank your "peers" who had their teenager or secretary take the online courses for them.

Once again the actions of the few affect us all.

Not so much that as the "I was able to get 7 hours of credit in only two hours by going straight to the answers and guessing until I got it right."

Look for more of this in distance education. Some of the providers didn't do their job in terms of providing meaningful and adequate content, so the AQB became more demanding in what they were looking for in a 7-hr. USPAP update delivered on-line.

As Don stated, distance education is based on the mastery-based model, which usually means that you have to "succeed" (pass the quiz at the end of the module) before you can "proceed" to the next module. The latest trend is to test for fluency in addition to mastery. This is why some distance education classes require that you go through the material twice. The first pass is for mastery. The second pass is based on fluency, and requires you to go the material again and then pass the test in a limited amount of time.

Additionally, the third-party that most states require to certify distance education seems to be taking a harder look (rightfully so) at the amount of content. Perhaps some providers are attempting to make their presentations more credible as to the amount of time spent in the material by using timing devices that prevent the student from moving along too quickly. Hitting the space bar twice per sentence and then waiting a few seconds before proceeding is apparently a method of doing that.

It's unfortunate that appraisal CE has become what it has. There is good stuff out there for sure, but I've heard too many stories of poorly developed and poorly delivered material to believe that the good stuff is in the majority. And appraisers pay enough, compared to insurance agents, nurses, Realtors, etc. to deserve meaningful and interesting CE. If appraisers were more demanding and avoided the bad providers, CE would be better. However, that would mean not waiting until the end of one's cycle and taking whatever was convenient. And I don't mean to disparage others for indulging in one of my favorite vices; procrastination. It's just human nature to put things off. But careful selection of providers and presenters, whether classroom or distance education, would improve the overall quality of CE. Burn me once, shame on you. Burn me twice, shame on me.
 
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