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james stephens
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I took the online USPAP update class earlier this year from McKissock and thought it was a well written course. Constantly tapping on the spacebar was annoying, but it could have been worse.
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try elicenseschool.net...I believe that you can do it online, if not the home course is very relaxed...good luck.
George Hatch
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Some people just don't test well. Putting a time limit on every single question in a test puts some additional pressure on the student. It might be an effective way to teach but I also think it penalizes people who read or think slowly. I didn't have any problems taking the recert course or passing the test but I can see how that mode of instruction would be problematic for some people.
For now, people who struggle with this mode of testing might be better off going with a live class from a good instructor. The alternative is to carefully study the course material before you sit down with the course. Drill and kill.
As for instructors controlling the room that's a whole different discussion. I think it's safe to say that neither extreme (too rigid or too loose) will work well for most students. And after all, those classes are all about trying to meet the needs of those students. IMO, any instructor who loses sight of that needs to step away from the podium.
Every instructor has to work to their strengths, but the whole advantage to a live presentation of USPAP is the flexibility and the opportunity for interaction. Unlike the machine, a live instructor can vary their pitch to suit the mix of students in the room; they can read the interaction and identify those situations that require a pitch from a different angle; they have the flexibility to frame current events and questions within the context of the course material.
The topic of appraisals standards covers so much ground and relates to so many aspects of what we do on a day-to-day basis. That being the case, I believe there's almost no such thing as a tangent in a USPAP course. Almost every controversy we have today relates back to the utility of appraisal standards in one way or another. The instructor just has to be sufficiently aware of those connections so as to be able to co-opt those rabbits productively back into the course presentation. It's kinda like judo.
Different strokes, right?
For now, people who struggle with this mode of testing might be better off going with a live class from a good instructor. The alternative is to carefully study the course material before you sit down with the course. Drill and kill.
As for instructors controlling the room that's a whole different discussion. I think it's safe to say that neither extreme (too rigid or too loose) will work well for most students. And after all, those classes are all about trying to meet the needs of those students. IMO, any instructor who loses sight of that needs to step away from the podium.
Every instructor has to work to their strengths, but the whole advantage to a live presentation of USPAP is the flexibility and the opportunity for interaction. Unlike the machine, a live instructor can vary their pitch to suit the mix of students in the room; they can read the interaction and identify those situations that require a pitch from a different angle; they have the flexibility to frame current events and questions within the context of the course material.
The topic of appraisals standards covers so much ground and relates to so many aspects of what we do on a day-to-day basis. That being the case, I believe there's almost no such thing as a tangent in a USPAP course. Almost every controversy we have today relates back to the utility of appraisal standards in one way or another. The instructor just has to be sufficiently aware of those connections so as to be able to co-opt those rabbits productively back into the course presentation. It's kinda like judo.
Different strokes, right?
Lloyd Bonafide
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I always prefer to take the USPAP update live. Now that I've read this thread, I will definitely take the next one in a classroom also.
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jennifergrootegoed
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I was told by the online provider that ONLY this USPAP ONLINE class is space-bar pressing.
Other CLASSES are NOT space-bar pressing per online provider!
The USPAP ONLINE HAS BEEN CHANGED SINCE 2010/JANUARY. I was told all providers will have the same way of delivery of class. I only know this from sales person so not sure.
AI does offer live USPAP class. But as life happens I did not plan as well as I should have. They offer it periodically and you must think ahead of time.
I was told by the online provider that ONLY this USPAP ONLINE class is space-bar pressing.
Other CLASSES are NOT space-bar pressing per online provider!
The USPAP ONLINE HAS BEEN CHANGED SINCE 2010/JANUARY. I was told all providers will have the same way of delivery of class. I only know this from sales person so not sure.
AI does offer live USPAP class. But as life happens I did not plan as well as I should have. They offer it periodically and you must think ahead of time.
"The new FORMAT online....REQUIRES you to hit the space bar for every sentence when you go through reading of the chapters....then you must answer questions in middle of chapters sporatically spaced out....then you must read chapter 2x...hit that space bar....
We are talking 7 chapters x 2 of space bar hitting on every sentence.....then answering questions not at end but mixed all up......
Oh yea...forgot to mention the 3 SECONDS required between the space bar hits....
Yes it is weird....it is annoying....it is time consuming in a bad way....not a learning way....rat on a treadmill way...."
Sounds like doing an appraisal: Hit the space bar, answer all mixed up questions, its weird, annoying, time consuming, and like a rat on a treadmill.
We are talking 7 chapters x 2 of space bar hitting on every sentence.....then answering questions not at end but mixed all up......
Oh yea...forgot to mention the 3 SECONDS required between the space bar hits....
Yes it is weird....it is annoying....it is time consuming in a bad way....not a learning way....rat on a treadmill way...."
Sounds like doing an appraisal: Hit the space bar, answer all mixed up questions, its weird, annoying, time consuming, and like a rat on a treadmill.
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I took the online 2010 7 hr USPAP course earlier this year from Allied Schools in Calif., but don't remember having to hit the space bar constantly. I do remember having to answer a lot of questions though. It was actually a pretty good class.
Don't know what the class costs now, but they matched the lowest price that you can find + give 10% additional off. Total cost was around $90 which is a pretty good deal.
Don't know what the class costs now, but they matched the lowest price that you can find + give 10% additional off. Total cost was around $90 which is a pretty good deal.
Maria747
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I've taken online classes from both McKissock and the Appraisal Institute (I think USPAP was through McKissock) and had no space bar issues, thought they were in general OK (although not worth the price you have to pay!). AI requires you to submit some case discussion answers on a "forum/board" where other classmates can read them - I suppose to feel like you had "interaction with other appraisers", but I found that to be a waste of time, really. And one of them (again, I think AI) makes you go through the entire chapter of material again if you answer even one question wrong...but as others have said, it must be to ensure you have actually read the material and know it. We have very few live classes in my state, so not having to travel far, and being able to take most of the classes at home was a big plus.
I've taken online classes from both McKissock and the Appraisal Institute (I think USPAP was through McKissock) and had no space bar issues, thought they were in general OK (although not worth the price you have to pay!). AI requires you to submit some case discussion answers on a "forum/board" where other classmates can read them - I suppose to feel like you had "interaction with other appraisers", but I found that to be a waste of time, really. And one of them (again, I think AI) makes you go through the entire chapter of material again if you answer even one question wrong...but as others have said, it must be to ensure you have actually read the material and know it. We have very few live classes in my state, so not having to travel far, and being able to take most of the classes at home was a big plus.
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