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Virgina REAB and Portal Petition

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Sorry you got confused. The comparison is that being empowered by the state to... oh, never mind, you'll probably just miss the point again.

Steve-O:

I understood your meaning fine. Just thought it would be nice to try and muddy up the water like many of the posters here. :new_smile-l:
 
Q: Are there examples of appraisal reports that have been altered between the appraiser delivering them to an AMC/portal intermediary and that intermediary delivering them to the lender?

A: YES!


Q: Are there numerous people that were involved in doing this ready and willing to testify about being told by some in management of these AMCs/portals to alter appraisal reports?

A: YES!


Q: Were alterations done that changed check boxes, sales comparison grid adjustments, and ultimately the value conclusions?

A: YES!
I'm sure that if someone submits some proof of those allegations to the VA board that the odds for a favorable ruling will increase significantly.
 
Steve:

Since you seem to be so very supported in your views, why don't you emlighten us of lesser brain function?
 
I have anecdotal "evidence" going back to the 50's, from war stories told to me by old-timers when I first started, about how they changed appraisal reports in the bank with white out or just scratching out. Before this thread, I don't think it ever crossed anyone's mind to blame the person who wrote the original report. There is probably a reason for that.
Difference being the who did it and where it was done. Now, it's being done by third parties playing the middle man and these middle men are pointing back at the appraiser being the one that made those changes, even though the appraiser couldn't get a copy of the altered report.

I still want copies of what is in the mortgage files that were sold off to various other investors over these past few years. Right now, NOBODY knows how many mortgage files contain an appraisal report with the appraiser's image of his/her signature attached that does NOT match what the appraiser sent. Until we get subpoenas for those files and compare to the appraiser's files, we will never know.


Trust Fannie and Freddie to even know what parts of their own rules and regulations they are contradicting in various areas? :rof:
Trust them to know which Federal Laws they might be breaking? :rof: :rof:
 
Difference being the who did it and where it was done. Now, it's being done by third parties playing the middle man and these middle men are pointing back at the appraiser being the one that made those changes, even though the appraiser couldn't get a copy of the altered report.

I still want copies of what is in the mortgage files that were sold off to various other investors over these past few years. Right now, NOBODY knows how many mortgage files contain an appraisal report with the appraiser's image of his/her signature attached that does NOT match what the appraiser sent. Until we get subpoenas for those files and compare to the appraiser's files, we will never know.


Trust Fannie and Freddie to even know what parts of their own rules and regulations they are contradicting in various areas? :rof:
Trust them to know which Federal Laws they might be breaking? :rof: :rof:

So some want to cut off the foot in an effort to correct an ingrown toenail?
 
Difference being the who did it and where it was done. Now, it's being done by third parties playing the middle man and these middle men are pointing back at the appraiser being the one that made those changes, even though the appraiser couldn't get a copy of the altered report.
That's not exactly the difference. You see, back in the 50's. before we had the controls like we have now, there wasn't so much independence. The person who told me most of these stories was both an appraiser on staff at the bank and a loan officer at the same bank. In some cases, he was indeed changing some of his own appraisals. Whether he was changing as a loan officer or as an appraiser...I don't know, but as an appraiser, he sure had access to copies.
I still want copies of what is in the mortgage files that were sold off to various other investors over these past few years.
And I want to have a brief, but torrid, affair with Halle Berry. It's the same idea, trying to get into someone else's closed drawers. Think I can get the court order you seek, for what I think is a much more significant purpose?

Until we get subpoenas for those files and compare to the appraiser's files, we will never know.
Too bad those witch hunt days have passed. Probable cause can be a pain in the patoot, even if you are a DA.
 
SS, back in the 50's and 60's many banks did not even have what we would call appraisals today. But, then again most of them loaned their own money and held onto their loans for the life of the loan. My dad worked for a bank from the 1940's until his retirement in the 1990's. In the 50's and 60's he was on the "loan committee" that would determine whether to make the loan or not. A couple times a month, several of the committee members would hop in a car and drive-by the properties in question. One of the main things they would look at is how the homeowner/borrower would maintain their home, figuring if they kept their house in order, then their bill paying would be in order also. Even on purchases, they would drive by the potential borrowers old home to see how it was maintaned. There were no written reports, but sometimes they would scribble a few notes on an index card. And their default rates were minimal.

Think about it, even today, whenever one receives an appraisal order from one of those bottom feeding lenders, how often do those homes appear "orderly" :) It seems the more deferred maintenance, disorder, etc., the more they need to squeeze every penny out of the value.

The reason for this story, when lenders are loaning their own money, they have a right to do whatever they and their stock holders see fit. They can keep it all behind an iron curtain if they wish.

But when public funds are involved, when taxpayers are asked to bail them out whenever there is a problem and the government puts guarantees on their loans, that right to total privacy no longer applies. When trillions of dollars are involved, the more transparency to the entire process the better. Probable Cause? How about total losses of 1 trillion or more, with government bailouts picking up the check. The entire lending process could use a rectal exam, and one of the fixes for the future is to have total transparency of what is taking place.

One side on this thread is stating they have all kinds of evidence, but for legal reasons can not share it. The other side is saying it is all made up rumors. Without the needed transparency we can debate and call each other names and question each others credibility until the cows come home. I say the only answer is to set up the system with proper transparency so all the facts are known, not just after the fact, but in real time.
 
The other side is saying it is all made up rumors.

Actually, it was Pam, not "the other side," that said that "nobody knows." (see post 1474).

Is that not an admission that the claims made are conjecture?
 
Re-reading her post, I believe she was stating no one knows how deep the problems run. Her ascertion is that there are known serious problems already (just on limited knowledge), her opponents state there are not. My ascertion is no one knows, and ever will, even in the future so that it can happen all over again, unless better transparency is brought to the entire process. For those trying to stonewall better transparency, it leads me to assume why...
 
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