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What does it Mean to Protect the Public Trust

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And if they didn't think they made an error? USPAP COMPLIANCE is an opinion of the reviewer or user. It is no more FACT than any other OPINION. There are enough soft pieces to the puzzle that opinions overlap. Take an number of hundreds of posts on this forum in 20 years where people disagreed with someones interpretation of USPAP. We need go no further than this thread and any thread in the USPAP etal section, or the Improving the Profession section to find a host of conflicted opinion. They cannot all be "right." So we have people openly bragging they can find an error or violation of USPAP in a report SOMEWHERE WITHOUT EXCEPTION. So - as you know - I've argued that compliance is impossible or at least improbable. Someone else has a different opinion. And you do not have to go head to head with another appraiser in court to see that. And I was in one court where 4 appraisers were present and a fifth had filed a report but could not attend due to his daughter's wedding out of state. His report prevailed in court. Was it "better" than ours? Probably not but if fell between the two other sides so the judge selected it as the 'best'. How else could he have done it when A-he has no idea what USPAP says; B-he has no idea what the SOP of appraisers are nor anything about the body of knowledge we were supposed to be aware of; C - There was limited sales and no clear unadjusted nearby sale to hang your hat on. I would argue we all did the best we could even though the spread between high and low was 30%...yet, someone had to be wrong, right? You cannot expect identical results between appraisers. So who gets to arbitrate who is "right" and who is "wrong"?

As for boards, any number of boards have been reversed in court. So if the boards cannot even get USPAP right, why can anyone believe that USPAP isn't flawed big time? USPAP is unfixable. It is not an ethical document to look up to. It is a standard by which appraisers can and are punished without recourse by reviewers no better appraisers than those they castigate.

the best part is...the board will review your appraisal and not even follow USPAP themselves... :ROFLMAO:

most of USPAP would be considered contractual agreements and should be left for civil courts...the other parts are criminal and should be prosecuted in a real court room:ROFLMAO:
 
most of USPAP would be considered contractual agreements and should be left for civil courts...the other parts are criminal and should be prosecuted in a real court room
I think the State you are in (same as me) would disagree. Since USPAP is incorporated as part of Ohio revised code.
 
I think the State you are in (same as me) would disagree. Since USPAP is incorporated as part of Ohio revised code.

yes ohio is on top of it...just like when they were regulating the unethical stakeholders and their number hitting buddies that ravished communities in ohio :rof: :rof: :rof:
 
Congress got involved, so leaving the appraisal business alone to the states was never among the options at that point. Especially given that appraisals are used across state lines.
 
oh the lost sheep need constitutional lessons...only congress can pass laws :rof: :rof: :rof:
 
based on their theory of law making...putin could write gun control laws and congress could adopt them gaslight that :rof: :rof: :rof:
 
Why would you blame the appraisal standards for what amounts to Appraisal 101 errors and omissions? Topics, I might add, that licensees were tested on *by their state* prior to receiving their licenses? And adherence to which requirements are a condition of holding those licenses.

Do you actually believe the reason appraisers are not applying *upward* adjustments to sale prices (to increase them) or making errors with zoning or lot sizes or picking comps outside the area is because they were never trained how to do it, never tested on those topics, and are somehow incapable of doing it? Or did they just simply not do it? Do you really intend to run the old "TAF made me do it" excuse? Or can we just attribute to the individuals those actions the individuals are committing? And to their users apparently not caring enough about those adjustments to force those appraisers to make corrections and to stop making those errors.

Well, if it's the same Qualifying education that I took when I was applying to become a trainee, then that would be a problem. You know, the same education courses that show two identical houses with only one character difference, which you then apply an adjustment for. LOL yeah works great in the world of textbooks, where the market is perfect. In the real world, however, it's a joke. Or how about market condition adjustments that most certainly was not taught when I took my QE classes? And if it s taught today, I'm pretty sure it's not taught well. They probably still have them using an HP-12C calculator.

And since you seem to think the GSEs and FHA are here to save the day, there's nothing preventing them from enforcing their policies, either. Certainly nothing you could attribute to either the content or origins of USPAP. So what's your excuse for them and why should we expect them to do any better than they've been doing? How are they any less complicit in the situation than any of the lenders?

Now this is precious coming from one of the biggest GSE cheerleaders on the Forum. I suggested USPAP be eliminated from GSE work because its servers no purpose. It is just another layer or checkbox an appraiser has to go through. As I said, the GSEs already have their forms, rules, Scope of Work, certifications, etc. Why layer USPAP on top of that? I haven't even mentioned the client-imposed assignment conditions and the AMC gibberish, yet another layer.
TAF is responsible for what they do with standards and qualifications. They don't regulate appraiser conduct or limit user appraisal policies or enforcement in any way. As a concept, appraisal standards precede USPAP and will continue to exist long after USPAP is retired by whatever comes next. And you'll still be unhappy with it.

Lol, USPAP is used by state boards and regulators to sanction appraisers. USPAP is the noose, and the state boards, regulators, and users are the executioners.
Aside from whining about the one employee's income at TAF and USPAP updates, 100% of everything you're complaining about in those appraisals is the result of the lack of enforcement, not the result of the SFR appraisers never being trained on how to appraise a tract home.

So let’s get this straight: you want state boards to enforce a standard they have trouble understanding? How many times have we read on this forum that one state interprets USPAP differently than another? The Oregon state board says that appraisers violated USPAP because they were ghosting their clients—one of many examples. Has it occurred to you that maybe USPAP is too complicated and needs a significant amount of streamlining? As far as exposing the corruption at TAF, including their obscene salary, that will be continued to be exposed. That genie is out of the bottle, and there is no way it’s coming back in. People in power need to be held accountable.
 

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public trust :rof: :rof: :rof:
 
Nice speech and yet almost everything you're complaining about still falls under the category of enforcement. And that includes the political appointees to these state boards who are not competent with the standards material and who make mistakes of their own.

You've never noticed that the participants on this forum who have ever qualified to teach USPAP virtually never disagree with each other on any of those topics when we're engaged in long form discussion about them? There's a reason for that, and it doesn't involve misinformation, confusion or a lack of understanding on their part. I suspect you are competent with the material, you just hate the licensing program and the CE requirements. And the fact that you can't find any way to force the lenders to use you instead of your competition.

Anyways your "it's all TAFs fault" argument amounts to saying that it's the legislature's fault that some people violate the laws that the legislature enacted (except that TAF promulgates professional standards which by definition are not laws/regs). As if there's actually a way to write a law, rule, regulation, religious edict or professional standard that will actually prevent people from offending.
 
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