Wild Fires In LA

[DTB]

Where are the facts that the "dims" care more about DEI or social justice than the safety of their own citizens?

Where were you during the Summer of Love?

 

[TerryRohrer]

Where were you during the Summer of Love?

Alone.

 

[Mark K]

Texas has quite a few Goat Ropers

Indiana joke.

What does an IU grad say to a Purdue grad? "Would you like fries with that".

OTOH, the IU football team asks the Purdue players not to bring their girlfriends to the game. They don't want the girlfriends out on the field grazing.

 

[J Grant]

If only the Democrats could stop the Santa Anna winds from blowing 80MPH or make it rain on command! Then they could prevent the wild fires!

( of course, any actual human possible prevention is a plus ).

 

[Mike Ault]

If only the Democrats could stop the Santa Anna winds from blowing 80MPH or make it rain on command! Then they could prevent the wild fires!

( of course, any actual human possible prevention is a plus ).

We just had the largest wildfire in Texas history with many homes and lives lost. In terrain that looks exactly like this. So, in a high wind, you could turn California into this and still burn to the ground.

 

[Terrel L. Shields]

Texas has quite a few Goat Ropers

Some of them are kinda cute little goat ropers. This one lost her boot in the mud.

 

[Sandra Koutsopoulos]

In my Riverside County area just east of the mountains that separate us from Orange County, we're supposed to get the first rainfall we've seen in over 9 months today. So far, not a drop, but the winds picked up and I see some clouds. No rain. Tinder dry. Typical.

 

[Terrel L. Shields]

We just had the largest wildfire in Texas history with many homes and lives lost. In terrain that looks exactly like this. So, in a high wind, you could turn California into this and still burn to the ground.
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Too bad it missed all those wind turbines. In 2001 or so, I took a mineral rights class in Houston and drove to Carlsbad from there. Then northwest to southwest Colorado. I was shocked at the turbines around Big Spring. But saw no more to Colorado and back home through Kansas. The Big Spring Turbines were fairly short - most not over 50'. By 2006 they were all over Wichita and points east more so than west and much taller. And on the return through NW Oklahoma, I was astounded by the numerous turbines around Woodward. Now the entire country in the high plains seems littered with them. Yes, dry grass burns as well as a dense pad of pine needles and leaves. But grass doesn't get as hot as a deep burn into duff (leaf litter.) That's a double problem. A it burns a long time and B it does a lot of damage to that duff which when regularly burned the fire stays low and lower temperature which is necessary to open the pinecones of many species.

The other difference is the lack of barriers to stop them, and the fact almost any wind driven wildfire can jump an 80' highway with some ease. I saw one north of Midland that was stopped by tractors tilling the ROW along a highway with trucks wetting down the fence line and ROW behind them. That's one advantage of having a lot of oil field water trucks to help. It still jumped in places but crews on the ready were able to snuff those hot spots quickly. From its origin west of Midland, the fire ended up almost 60 miles away. It was a very eerie scene from the intersection north of Midland west to Andrews.

Controlled burns are risky in populated areas but some method must be adopted, or you build up a dangerous amount of duff.

 

[Mike Ault]

Too bad it missed all those wind turbines. In 2001 or so, I took a mineral rights class in Houston and drove to Carlsbad from there. Then northwest to southwest Colorado. I was shocked at the turbines around Big Spring. But saw no more to Colorado and back home through Kansas. The Big Spring Turbines were fairly short - most not over 50'. By 2006 they were all over Wichita and points east more so than west and much taller. And on the return through NW Oklahoma, I was astounded by the numerous turbines around Woodward. Now the entire country in the high plains seems littered with them. Yes, dry grass burns as well as a dense pad of pine needles and leaves. But grass doesn't get as hot as a deep burn into duff (leaf litter.) That's a double problem. A it burns a long time and B it does a lot of damage to that duff which when regularly burned the fire stays low and lower temperature which is necessary to open the pinecones of many species.

The other difference is the lack of barriers to stop them, and the fact almost any wind driven wildfire can jump an 80' highway with some ease. I saw one north of Midland that was stopped by tractors tilling the ROW along a highway with trucks wetting down the fence line and ROW behind them. That's one advantage of having a lot of oil field water trucks to help. It still jumped in places but crews on the ready were able to snuff those hot spots quickly. From its origin west of Midland, the fire ended up almost 60 miles away. It was a very eerie scene from the intersection north of Midland west to Andrews.

Controlled burns are risky in populated areas but some method must be adopted, or you build up a dangerous amount of duff.

I read an account by one fire crew hoping the interstate highway would be a wide enough fire break to stop the range fire they were fighting but as the fire approached "jackrabbits on fire" kept running across the highway and starting fires on the other side. I'm not sure how many ranchers around here even maintain fire roads anymore after pondering that. By the way, Texas gets 15% of its energy from wind turbines now. After they're in place, that's almost free energy. Texas is one of the areas in the country where wind power actually make some sort of sense. No substitute for advanced nuclear though, if we really want to get serious about energy.

 

[TerryRohrer]

I read an account by one fire crew hoping the interstate highway would be a wide enough fire break to stop the range fire they were fighting but as the fire approached "jackrabbits on fire" kept running across the highway and starting fires on the other side. I'm not sure how many ranchers around here even maintain fire roads anymore after pondering that. By the way, Texas gets 15% of its energy from wind turbines now. After they're in place, that's almost free energy. Texas is one of the areas in the country where wind power actually make some sort of sense. No substitute for advanced nuclear though, if we really want to get serious about energy.

Uh? "Operation and maintenance runs an additional $42,000-$48,000 per year according to research on wind turbine operational cost."

https://weatherguardwind.com/how-much-does-wind-turbine-cost-worth-it/#:~:text=%241%2C300%2C000%20USD%20per%20megawatt.,on%20wind%20turbine%20operational%20cost.

My brother has hauled a few loads of tools used in the maintenance of windmills. He was astounded at the number of truckloads of tools and supplies and machines and cranes and crane matts, etc, that are constantly on the move across the country in service and repair of those free to operate generators. Probably in the neighborhood of 80+ truckloads per move. And they don't service the whole field at once. Fix the few that are inactive and move on. Of course, the diesel and gas burned in those endeavors are counted against the "carbon footprint" of the oil and gas industry, not that clean, free to operate wind generation industry! Oh, the lies we tell ourselves to promote our personal agendas!