Will You Get The Vaccine?

[Sandra Koutsopoulos]

Found out tonight my next door neighbor, late 50's, died of Covid-19 this week. Good man, hard worker, has wife & foster kids; this will leave a big hole in their family. From cough to pneumonia to intubation to dead in 6 days. Not the way I wanna go. Yup! I'll take that shot ASAP.

 

[Zoe]

Found out tonight my next door neighbor, late 50's, died of Covid-19 this week. Good man, hard worker, has wife & foster kids; this will leave a big hole in their family. From cough to pneumonia to intubation to dead in 6 days. Not the way I wanna go. Yup! I'll take that shot ASAP.

That just breaks my heart when I hear those stories.

 

[The Warrior Monk]

I'm hearing of examples where people have caught it twice. That's not what I want to be hearing about when considering the efficacy of a vaccination.

I actually personally know someone this happened to, though this person does have underlying conditions also, which can affect immune response.

 

[The Warrior Monk]

Here is the scientific brief on the CDC site if you are interested in the science behind it. It references some of the studies that have been done.

Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)

CDC provides credible COVID-19 health information to the U.S.

www.cdc.gov

The light is at the end of tunnel, wear a mask everyone, save grandma!

I've read all these before. Except for the Thailand sample, the other samples are very small and subject to significant error.

Note that according to the best-case scenario in the study, there is only a 70% reduction with multilayer cloth masks. What that translates to is widespread infection. The study also does not consider mask reuse. While a mask might stop viruses carried by droplets, like other studies, it doesn't discuss what happens when the droplets dry out and the virus is still on the mask.

The study also does not discuss the situation of aerosolized viruses, which has, in fact, been included in other studies, at least one of which I've seen was done concurrently with masks. That study showed that masks are useless against aerosolized viruses, and there are other studies showing the the virus is more aerosolized than previously thought.

 

[The Warrior Monk]

As far as the vaccine goes, I'll make that decision later on. There is no reason to rush to the front of the line. As I've done since the beginning, research, observe, analyze, then make an informed decision.

 

[NachoPerito]

I've read all these before. Except for the Thailand sample, the other samples are very small and subject to significant error.

Note that according to the best-case scenario in the study, there is only a 70% reduction with multilayer cloth masks. What that translates to is widespread infection. The study also does not consider mask reuse. While a mask might stop viruses carried by droplets, like other studies, it doesn't discuss what happens when the droplets dry out and the virus is still on the mask.

The study also does not discuss the situation of aerosolized viruses, which has, in fact, been included in other studies, at least one of which I've seen was done concurrently with masks. That study showed that masks are useless against aerosolized viruses, and there are other studies showing the the virus is more aerosolized than previously thought.

Actually a 70% reduction goes from an R-Naught of 2.5 to under 1.0. So it goes from exponential growth to a non-spreading disease.

 

[NachoPerito]

Wrong.

Could people still be infectious after they're vaccinated for COVID-19?

Clinical trials did not test whether a person could still spread the virus to others after receiving the vaccine.

www.cbsnews.com

Maybe I shouldn't have been so confident. They haven't done any studies to prove that you can't give Covid to someone else after getting the vaccine so we can't say for sure, but I can't think of another ailment that has a vaccine where you can pass it to someone else after being vaccinated.

 

[The Warrior Monk]

Actually a 70% reduction goes from an R-Naught of 2.5 to under 1.0. So it goes from exponential growth to a non-spreading disease.

Except that the virus continues to spread in areas where everyone is wearing masks, so I'm going to continue to doubt those numbers.

 

[NachoPerito]

Except that the virus continues to spread in areas where everyone is wearing masks, so I'm going to continue to doubt those numbers.

Actually, universal mask wearing doesn't exist. There is always a certain part of the population that doesn't follow the rules. There is plenty of visual evidence right now looking at countries that wear masks versus countries that don't.

 

[Non Sequitur]

Maybe I shouldn't have been so confident. They haven't done any studies to prove that you can't give Covid to someone else after getting the vaccine so we can't say for sure, but I can't think of another ailment that has a vaccine where you can pass it to someone else after being vaccinated.

The article named several.

As for the rest, the blanket statements being made about the safety and efficacy are misleading at best. Truth is this type of vaccine has never been widely used in the population, and there are more unknowns than knowns. We will not know and can’t know the safety and side effects for years or decades.

Here’s a great breakdown by two people who hold PhDs in Biology, start at the 11:00 minute mark: