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I'm not an AI insider so I don't know. But it seems to me that if they had any interest in extending PAREA to the CG licensing they would have already made that preference known.

If I was an AI member I would be strongly opposed to their actions in support of PAREA as being in conflict with my business interests. The role of the appraisal orgs is different than the role of TAF, so on that basis I think that different considerations apply.

As it is, I already decline to do business with any CE provider that is enabling PAREA. Which that included McKissock up until they withdrew. And for now it also includes the AI. Not that they should care at all what I think.
 
I'm not an AI insider so I don't know. But it seems to me that if they had any interest in extending PAREA to the CG licensing they would have already made that preference known.

If I was an AI member I would be strongly opposed to their actions in support of PAREA as being in conflict with my business interests. The role of the appraisal orgs is different than the role of TAF, so on that basis I think that different considerations apply.

As it is, I already decline to do business with any CE provider that is enabling PAREA. Which that included McKissock up until they withdrew. And for now it also includes the AI. Not that they should care at all what I think.
The AI actually should care what appraisers think. I bet some of their residential licensed members feel the same way about boycotting their classes. And yet if they stop sending AI money, they won't be able to put "SRA" after their name.
 
I'm already not a specialist in appraising SFRs and I already don't compete with the SL/CR appraisers working in the residential lending programs. But I still oppose the use of PAREA for experience instead of education for the SL/CR licenses. I'm guessing there are probably lots of MAIs and candidates among the AI's membership who also don't approve of this usage of PAREA. Maybe some of the MAIs are in favor of it but it's hard for me to imagine the majority favoring it.

But that's just a PFA guess on my part.
 
I was curious how many general certified appraisers had supervisory endorsement in Oregon:

The result was 74 GCs went through the education, expense, and experience work to get the endorsement out of a total of 613 generals. So about one out of ten GC could train someone. So why would PAREA be a better alternative? And won't it kill the incentive to get the endorsement? The shortage argument is BS.

 
A person is barely competent to complete a residential appraisal after two years of supervised, real life experience, and you expect someone to take a class and be competent to complete a commercial appraisal? Its the funniest thing I've heard all year. It's not going to happen.
 
I'm not so sure. Yeah it would be great to jump up from CR to CG. If only to get a fair shake on all the residential work and clients scoot ahead of me in line and take. But if this became a reality we'd all have to do that in order to compete. Just like when the demins rose and the entire body of regular licensed people could no longer complete all this mortgage lending work, and I think also FHA. There was some big event back in the day and all the licensed appraisers raced into certification, even though certification had never been a requirement for them to stay in business before. And now regular licensed is pretty rare, most people left are CR's or CG's. Runs counter to logic because there should be more residential work than commercial, hence a lower volume of CG's. Same thing will happen with a PAREA to CG, everyone will race to it out of necessity even if they don't really want or need the licensing upgrade. None of it matters anyways, if appraisers don't rally and save the mortgage lending side all the other specialty niches and non ML work will fall in short order. None of your licenses are going to matter for much longer. May take another decade but the wheels are already in motion.

Let's talk about every single stake holder and and manager of this industries policies and regulations being required to have an appraisers license themselves instead. Then we can talk about requirements for anyone whom distributes appraisal orders, or has anything to do with distributing or providing administrative reviews to appraisal orders, or managing appraiser approval panels, or managing anything to do with appraisers, to be required to have an appraisers license themselves. And we'll talk about the need for transparency in AVM systems. You can read the patents and learn how they really work, and they are very very easy to manipulate and nobody would know whom manipulated them or exactly when or why. Those effects on markets are already visible with so many deals going through the value acceptance program even today.

Don't mistake a loop hole and deceptive work around to stretch out the exploitation of this industry, the special favor of TAF and AI to interested party lenders and fintech's, which is the PAREA program, don't mistake that for legitimate opportunity. Because it's not. It's a trap and everyone whom requests such a thing is taking the bait. If you want CG, take the classes, advertise that you have already passed the CG test, can do so again on a moments notice, and call around and find a CG to give you the hours. Work for free if you have to, just get it done. Either you are ready for that or you are not. No clever regulatory carve out should be necessary in the first place. If you want it, go get it. Earn the credentials properly or you'll just be going through the motions for a piece of paper. You thought liability in residential was daunting? You ain't seen nothing yet if you dive head first into commercial without the proper training. The last thing we need is every residential focused appraiser having a CG, we have enough of those already, more than enough, an excess of them.
 
Heard that there are 5 would be appraisers stalled in the AI program, with another 1400 signed up. Reportedly, the AI mentors are having to educate the 5 in the program as to basic appraisal principles, which is slowing down their progress. Also, the AI mentors for the 5 are being paid peanuts.
 
And then I had to ride around in a town car and listen to big band music from the 1940's with a guy who thought I was his secretary to get my hours on inspections.
Hey! It's your birthday. Best.

This thread is a; Be careful what you wish for type of moment.
 

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Heard that there are 5 would be appraisers stalled in the AI program, with another 1400 signed up. Reportedly, the AI mentors are having to educate the 5 in the program as to basic appraisal principles, which is slowing down their progress. Also, the AI mentors for the 5 are being paid peanuts.
Heard the same, stalled from the beginning. And yes, they are blaming the QE from "less than" providers. Which begs the question, "Where are the students who took QE from the AI?" Hint-hint, those are rarer than unicorns. But here's my take on the mess, this is exactly what happens when to many MAIs are involved in anything residential. From what I heard they are trying to cure cancer instead of just training the students to complete residential appraisals. Anyway, the AI promised to pump out hordes of diverse noobs, better get busy.
 
There is still commercial activity, commercial sales and commercial leasing with derived capitalization rates occurring consistently. I don't know about PAREA but I could easily teach a trainee, which I am. Understanding the market is simple statistics, math and relationships with brokers and buyers. I followed the Appraisal Institue classes and continued until I got my MAI. I read every report I could get my hands on and read this forum's older pages while studying. If a trainee has the desire, they should be able to learn. One issue I have is the book smart versus real world smart issues. Another issue is a supply and demand one. I'm not going to train someone when fees are terrible. If there is a program that can license a group of individuals to compete in my market and hold fees to a number that is not feasible to do business, it creates a sustainability problem. I've been outbid by a bad product and would worry that that would continue. Some lenders want file stuffers and are more concerned about my E&O insurance than the quality I produce. It doesn't leave much left for the firms that know what they are doing. I think that some of the push back is protection of the industry warring with the mass production of competition that provides a potential end game to the profession. Right now we are bidding fees from 2014. This tells me that our market has too many appraisers already.
It is crucial to balance theoretical knowledge with practical experience. The surplus of appraisers and their low fees make it challenging to invest in training new professionals, especially if they end up offering lower prices and undercutting one's business. The industry's sustainability is at risk due to the combination of low fees and an influx of less competent appraisers. Dealing with competition from lower-quality appraisals is frustrating, especially when lenders prioritize cost over quality. It is essential to protect the industry's integrity while adapting to changes in order to prevent a decline in standards. Your concerns highlight the need for better training programs, market education, fair fees, and a balance between innovation and maintaining standards.
 
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