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Class Action For The Theft Of Appraisers’ Data

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Thought to came to my mind is that FNMA has a huge database. The value of this is unimaginable to me.. I doubt FNMA is giving any of that away for free. Maybe Corelogic has a deal but I can't imagine it is very cheap. So to circumvent or should I say tap into that data base at the source is the only way they can get it without paying mega bucks to FNMA.

Does that make any sense?

So the only way to somewhat circumvent them is to use a different software provider and create your own back up system of prior appraisals.

I don't use the Corelogic/alamode Vault. I have it but I just don't use it. Mem Cards are cheap. You could make a duplicate to be ultra-safe.

Like I said before once they go to cloud your cooked.
Current Fannie policy is that access to CU is limited to lenders. AMCs are not allowed have direct CU access. AMCs can submit reports to CU on a lender's behalf, but they only get the results, not full CU access. No one has access to just the database.

Over the past few months I have attended several Fannie/Freddie sessions where they were collecting feedback from appraisers, and being able to access the Fannie data has been a common request from the appraiser community. Fannie and Freddie have both experienced leadership changes in their appraisal groups recently, and there are indications that those now in critical roles are open to at least considering this. The main concern seems to be that if that did happen there would be appraisers who would use that data without proper verification/vetting.
 
cant steal intellectual property legally. No way around it. You can rob a bank where the deposits were not intended for you, but there are consequences.
 
Intension or intention is huge in front of a judge or jury. It’s like market value and expert appraisers in some regards.
 
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Thought to came to my mind is that FNMA has a huge database. The value of this is unimaginable to me.. I doubt FNMA is giving any of that away for free. Maybe Corelogic has a deal but I can't imagine it is very cheap. So to circumvent or should I say tap into that data base at the source is the only way they can get it without paying mega bucks to FNMA.

Does that make any sense?

So the only way to somewhat circumvent them is to use a different software provider and create your own back up system of prior appraisals.

I don't use the Corelogic/alamode Vault. I have it but I just don't use it. Mem Cards are cheap. You could make a duplicate to be ultra-safe.

Like I said before once they go to cloud your cooked.
Best post on this thread.^^^^

I would venture to say Corelogic seeks to be bigger than NSA.

https://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/03/...es-even-more-of-your-financial-life.html?_r=0

2011
This week, a company called CoreLogic introduced a new type of credit file, which is based on the giant repository of consumer data it maintains on just about everything that most of the traditional credit bureaus do not: missed rental payments that have gone into collection, any evictions or child support judgments, as well as any applications for payday loans, along with your repayment history.

........Next year, it will begin to evaluate whether to include even more data, including your payment history on utility and cellphone bills.
 
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Best post on this thread.^^^^

I would venture to say Corelogic seeks to be bigger than NSA.

https://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/03/...es-even-more-of-your-financial-life.html?_r=0

2011
This week, a company called CoreLogic introduced a new type of credit file, which is based on the giant repository of consumer data it maintains on just about everything that most of the traditional credit bureaus do not: missed rental payments that have gone into collection, any evictions or child support judgments, as well as any applications for payday loans, along with your repayment history.

........Next year, it will begin to evaluate whether to include even more data, including your payment history on utility and cellphone bills.

Imagine what would happen if Google(analytics) buys Corelogic. This wont happen the other way around because Corelogic is a financial midget compared to Google.

https://www.theverge.com/2017/9/5/16243868/google-monopoly-antitrust-open-markets-barry-lynn
 
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Are you being critical of my word choice to avoid answering my question? How many appraisers are recieving ANY financial benefit from CU or DE? I would suggest that regardless of the number who would have benefitted from AIRD, it would be significantly more than those now benefitting financially from systems that do not compensate appraisers for the data. :)


We should all be sad that "some" people at the top of the appraisal profession aren't profiting from CU, while the majority were never slated to profit from either system. But rather, were just the unknowing slaves to be stolen from, in both scenarios.

Boo hoo
 
Imagine what would happen if Google(analytics) buys Corelogic. This wont happen the other way around because Corelogic is a financial midget compared to Google.

It's about a long term game plan of control of the RE market, goal to take as much share as possible from independents whether a mortgage broker, appraiser, or RE agent, and put in the hands of one or several corporate entities, in this case Core Logic. As CL buys up and down the food chain of RE, from MLS to the valuation end to the processing end

This consolidation and control correlates with a trend ( which deserves closer attention,) the shift from the residential RE market away from its original purpose, providing housing to people (with hopefully a stake in communities, stability of ownership and building equity). That changed pre boom as speculators started buying more properties and flipping spread from a core small group to a larger group wanting in on the large, quick profits. Though it was a financial lost and pain for many who lost properties or equity in the crash, don;t forget other people made money off their loss and pain. The REO a family lost was bought by a flipper , quick upgrade and sold for a big profit.

I see each year a higher % of flipped properties, SFR bought by investors, as well as increase of foreign national buyers . result is more Americans are shut out of the housing market as prices rise and wealthier buyers compete with them for local properties. The outcome is more frequently, the avg American worker due to low /stagnant wages/high house prices can not afford to buy and becomes a renter putting $ in someone else's pocket )

The long term big losers will be RE agents, whose MLS boards sold out to Corelogic ,( I never could figure that out, dumbest move ever ) Why is so much MLS info appearing now all over the internet ... and now the internet RE sites are starting to offer consumers RE own buy/sell options to exclude or marginalize participation of RE agents/brokers. I predict next move of CL to merge with or buy one of the big RE consumer internet sites , zillow or Redfin or Trulia.
 
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Data sources


Data acquired from aggregators includes property listing and tenant/landlord rental information from Boards of Realtors, real estate agents, brokers, landlords, and owners of multi-tenant properties.

The company also collects appraisals and property valuations from appraisers, and licenses consumer credit history information from credit reporting agencies, lenders and auto dealers.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/CoreLogic

As of December 31, 2017, we had approximately 5,900 employees, of which approximately 5,200 were employed in the U.S. and 700 outside the U.S.

Our client agreements typically govern the use of our client-contributed data. These contractual arrangements often permit our clients to use our solutions which incorporate their data. We generally structure our client agreements to specify the particular uses of the data our clients contribute and to provide the required levels of data privacy and protection. Our contributed data includes loan performance information (from loan servicers, trustees, securitizers, issuers and others), appraisal information, information regarding property rental and under-banked loan applications from various loan originators, and information regarding landlords and property owners.


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Our Data

In addition, we gather property listing and tenant/landlord rental information from Boards of Realtors®, real estate agents, brokers, landlords, and owners of multi-tenant properties. We collect appraisals and property valuations from appraisers and we license consumer credit history information from credit reporting agencies, lenders and auto dealers.

Competition

Our UWS segment competes with third-party providers such as Black Knight, Inc. and Lereta LLC, which provide tax and flood services, as well as credit and screening solutions providers such as Equifax, Inc., Credit Plus, and Kroll Factual Data, and Clear Capital, Solidifi and ServiceLink, which provide valuation-related services.

For these services, we compete largely based on the quality of the products and services we provide, our ability to provide scalable services at competitive prices and our ability to provide integrated platforms. We also compete with departments within financial institutions that utilize internal resources to provide similar services on a captive basis. We generally compete with captive providers based on the quality of our products and services, the scalability of our services, cost efficiencies and our ability to provide some level of risk mitigation.

Risks Related to Our Business

We depend on our ability to access data from external sources to maintain and grow our businesses. If we are unable to access needed data from these sources or if the prices charged for these services increase, the quality, pricing and availability of our products and services may be adversely affected, which could have a material adverse impact on our business, financial condition and results of operations.

We rely extensively upon data from a variety of external sources to maintain our proprietary and non-proprietary databases, including data from third-party suppliers, various government and public record sources and data contributed by our clients. Our data sources could cease providing or reduce the availability of their data to us, increase the price we pay for their data, or limit our use of their data for a variety of reasons, including legislatively or judicially imposed restrictions on use. If a number of suppliers are no longer able or are unwilling to provide us with certain data, or if our public record sources of data become unavailable or too expensive, we may need to find alternative sources. If we are unable to identify and contract with suitable alternative data suppliers and efficiently and effectively integrate these data sources into our service offerings, we could experience service disruptions, increased costs and reduced quality of our services.

Moreover, some of our suppliers compete with us in certain product offerings, which may make us vulnerable to unpredictable price increases from them. Significant price increases could have a material adverse effect on our operating margins and our financial position, in particular if we are unable to arrange for substitute sources of data on favorable economic terms. Loss of such access or the availability of data in the future on commercially reasonable terms or at all may reduce the quality and availability of our services and products, which could have a material adverse effect on our business, financial condition and results of operations.

As we continue to develop and expand our products and services, we may become increasingly subject to infringement claims from third parties such as non-practicing entities, software providers and suppliers of data. Likewise, if we are unable to maintain adequate controls over how third-party software and data are used we may be subject to claims of infringement. Any claims, whether with or without merit, could

be expensive and time-consuming to defended

cause us to cease making, licensing or using applications that incorporate the challenged intellectual property;

require us to redesign our applications, if feasible;

divert management's attention and resources; and

require us to enter into royalty or licensing agreements in order to obtain the right to use necessary technologies.

https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/36047/000003604718000015/clgx-12312017x10k.htm
 
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