bobburnitt
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Requiring a degree is one way for them to get tougher.
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If someone can prove to me that a person with a high school diploma is inherently less capable and more given to avarice that a college graduate, then I might agree.
I went to graduate school, what does that prove? Nothing.
Weeding out bad appraisers has a lot to do with finding honest appraisers to start with. I am astounded at the number of reasonably good appraisers willing to pad their own resumes, inflate trainees time cards, not report private appraisal fees to the IRS, padding the lunch bill at cont. ed. class or overstate expenses by including non-business items in a business purchase, and all sorts of not so ethical practices.
Do you honestly believe requiring a degree will have any impact on that? I don't. Not one whit. If you have ever paid for a candy bar on the company credit card, then for you to complain about other appraisers being dishonest is like Alfred Packer complaining about prison food.
[if you don't know who Alfred Packer was, then ask someone from Colorado.]
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I went to graduate school, what does that prove? Nothing.
Weeding out bad appraisers has a lot to do with finding honest appraisers to start with. I am astounded at the number of reasonably good appraisers willing to pad their own resumes, inflate trainees time cards, not report private appraisal fees to the IRS, padding the lunch bill at cont. ed. class or overstate expenses by including non-business items in a business purchase, and all sorts of not so ethical practices.
Do you honestly believe requiring a degree will have any impact on that? I don't. Not one whit. If you have ever paid for a candy bar on the company credit card, then for you to complain about other appraisers being dishonest is like Alfred Packer complaining about prison food.
[if you don't know who Alfred Packer was, then ask someone from Colorado.]
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bobburnitt
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Having a degree has NOTHING to do with ethics. Having a degree has to do with being well trained, competent, and knowledegable.
I believe you learn ethics from your upbringing. Doctors, lawyers, dentists, engineers can all be crooked. But they can't be "professionals" without their degrees.
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I believe you learn ethics from your upbringing. Doctors, lawyers, dentists, engineers can all be crooked. But they can't be "professionals" without their degrees.
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WOW, so ALL it takes to be a "professional" is a college degree???? Please elaborate, Bob! My Webster's dictionary does not mention a degree as a requirement for a "professional"!
People can be professional in the work that they do - with or without a degree. A degree only suffices to give some folks "bragging rights". One could be a professional ditch digger if they are good enough, don't you think?
People can be professional in the work that they do - with or without a degree. A degree only suffices to give some folks "bragging rights". One could be a professional ditch digger if they are good enough, don't you think?
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Just remember this when you walk into a 'professional' office and see their diplomas on the wall....50% of college graduates ranked in the lower half of their class, yet they still got that piece of paper.
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Dee Dee,
All I am saying is that a degree is better than NO degree. And the other 50% were in the top half of the class. If someone doesn't have a degree, how would you know which half they are in?
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All I am saying is that a degree is better than NO degree. And the other 50% were in the top half of the class. If someone doesn't have a degree, how would you know which half they are in?
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Cookie,
Didn't say that a degree alone makes a professional, what I meant was you can't be a physician, a dentist, an attorney etc. etc. without a degree. I wish it were the same with real estate brokerage and real estate appraisal. It will never eliminate all the problems, but at least it would't be so easy to get a license.
Too many appraisers.
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Didn't say that a degree alone makes a professional, what I meant was you can't be a physician, a dentist, an attorney etc. etc. without a degree. I wish it were the same with real estate brokerage and real estate appraisal. It will never eliminate all the problems, but at least it would't be so easy to get a license.
Too many appraisers.
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You would know them by how well they do their job.
Those without a degree have no piece of paper to hide behind if they are incompetent, so they lose the advantage of a smokescreen.
Don't get me wrong here...I think getting a degree is wonderful if it applies to the profession, but there aren't too many degrees that are very specific to appraising.
If the bar were raised to require a degree to enter the appraisal profession I have my doubts that it would have the results that some advocates believe it would. Seriously, how many people with a degree in economics or business would choose to spend yet another couple of years starting out at an apprentice level pay to enter a profession that has a somewhat dubious future? Certainly not the brightest 50%.
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How can there be too many appraisers when there is a desperate shortage in some parts of the world? I turn down 10-20% of the requests sent to me. My turnaround is 3 - 4weeks. My last break was to take a 2 day class in Houston then hide out for 2 more days last fall.
How about skipping the college and going straight for a 1100 SAT score or maybe a minimum ACT of 30...that'll weed 'em out!
Until every state has an appraisal block like they have a teaching block AND the state drops the experience HOURS for experience YEARS LIKE EVERY OTHER PROFESSION I don't support it. An appraiser-in-training w/ degree, one year w/ co-signee; two years limited to <$250K, and eliminate the 75-150 hours of class and opt for CE only LIKE ACCOUNTANTS, LAWYERS, GEOLOGISTS, ETC.
ONLY appraisers were not permitted to GRANDFATHER under the original enabling legislation, even DOCTORS were grandfathered. ONLY appraisers will be required to have BOTH a degree and an education.
Test was easy you say???? Take it in Arkansas. 50% flunked, 100% of those who went on to Mo. and took it over two weeks later passed. So Arkansas is now rethinking the policy of letting candidates take the Mo. test if they fail the first time. I passed the CG test w/90% but it was HARD HARD. How many of you know what a "Check" is? It's a surveying term, not what comes back when you send an invoice.
Someone said a "related" field degree should be required. Related to what? State law here....Timber is appraised by professional foresters with appraisal license ONLY or the timber cruiser BETTER know how to help you. So Forestry is a related subject? Ditto for Mineral Rights. If Harrison chooses to publish it, I have more to say in a future issue of REV. FIRREA requires cert. appraiser for minerals and leases held as collateral. What except a geological or engineering degree will prepare you to appraise minerals? If you do not know who the SPEE is, you have no business TOUCHING the issue of mineral rights or leases. FSA even has a form for it. They should call the form the idiot created by an idiot form. Yet, every week some joker somewhere THINKS he knows how to appraise minerals, timber, etc. etc. You can bet he has a degree. And you can bet its a "he" because women are smarter than to tackle a subject they are completely in the dark about. I have never seen a incompetent timber or mineral appraisal written by a woman. Perhaps we should just require all future appraisers to be women because they have better judgment.
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How about skipping the college and going straight for a 1100 SAT score or maybe a minimum ACT of 30...that'll weed 'em out!
Until every state has an appraisal block like they have a teaching block AND the state drops the experience HOURS for experience YEARS LIKE EVERY OTHER PROFESSION I don't support it. An appraiser-in-training w/ degree, one year w/ co-signee; two years limited to <$250K, and eliminate the 75-150 hours of class and opt for CE only LIKE ACCOUNTANTS, LAWYERS, GEOLOGISTS, ETC.
ONLY appraisers were not permitted to GRANDFATHER under the original enabling legislation, even DOCTORS were grandfathered. ONLY appraisers will be required to have BOTH a degree and an education.
Test was easy you say???? Take it in Arkansas. 50% flunked, 100% of those who went on to Mo. and took it over two weeks later passed. So Arkansas is now rethinking the policy of letting candidates take the Mo. test if they fail the first time. I passed the CG test w/90% but it was HARD HARD. How many of you know what a "Check" is? It's a surveying term, not what comes back when you send an invoice.
Someone said a "related" field degree should be required. Related to what? State law here....Timber is appraised by professional foresters with appraisal license ONLY or the timber cruiser BETTER know how to help you. So Forestry is a related subject? Ditto for Mineral Rights. If Harrison chooses to publish it, I have more to say in a future issue of REV. FIRREA requires cert. appraiser for minerals and leases held as collateral. What except a geological or engineering degree will prepare you to appraise minerals? If you do not know who the SPEE is, you have no business TOUCHING the issue of mineral rights or leases. FSA even has a form for it. They should call the form the idiot created by an idiot form. Yet, every week some joker somewhere THINKS he knows how to appraise minerals, timber, etc. etc. You can bet he has a degree. And you can bet its a "he" because women are smarter than to tackle a subject they are completely in the dark about. I have never seen a incompetent timber or mineral appraisal written by a woman. Perhaps we should just require all future appraisers to be women because they have better judgment.
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