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Has Anyone Completed A 3.6 Yet

dang a new cheerleader...dont go crying when they pull the carpet and dont forget to measure the ceilings lap dogs:rof:
 
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jake lew must be a d.c. insider...my pencil and paper do not need a Three day boot camp to fill out forms that took Eight years to create....talk about inefficient...have you ever seen lew post here what a snake oil salesman:rof:
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The "AI' that Aivre claim fills out the form for you requires double checking through out the whole form because it can't be trusted. Its basically spark or datamaster but they rebranded as AI. This marketing allows them to charge $3k a year for this garbage. This whole 3.6 appraisal is designed for everyone to get rich besides the appraiser. BTW these AI appraisals are taking 8 hours to type. What a joke of a profession this has become.
 
...."What a joke of a profession this has become"....
I've been whining to my husband that 'normal' income has passed us by because it seems it's stuck somewhere 10-25 years ago. So I was speculating about the economies of scale, and how one person renting his time for one job at a time has limited his productivity value, whereas if he were getting paid for multiple jobs at the same time, he would make more money. Think dogsitter at the owner's home. Yep, 1 or several dogs there, get paid by that one client for renting them your time per each hour. But how about Doggie Daycare where you take care of 5-10-20 dogs per day for 4/8/12 hours? NOW you're able to multiply your time and charge several ppl for each hour that you were only charging one for before. So now, instead of $20/hour, you've got $100+/hour, $800/day for example, or more.

Which brings me to a solicitation I received yesterday regarding a person offering to take 20-40 photos of my real estate listings for a fee of $150, including the floorplan (Cubi-casa or ???) Hmmm... No report to write? No valuation to come up with and support? No waiting 2-3 months for payment? ...and how often do we take MORE than 40 photos, and include 6-10-21 photos of comparables for possible inclusion in the report. We do more than the RE photographer, and our job takes much longer than the 2 hours the photog probably takes to get there, take photos and toodle off to the next $150 photo shoot. Likely, he shoots 2 to 4 listings per day... $300-$600/day and he's done. The photos are only PART of our job. Well, then there's the measuring... what... 15 minutes to a couple hours, depending on size/complexity etc? A simple typist gets more than $20/hour, and we spend several hours typing. And the thinking and analyzing part takes as long as it takes. Our job is more complex, takes 4-10 times as long, we have huge overhead to maintain our licenses etc, and.... so right there is an example of how other unlicensed ppl without E&O etc are being paid more for doing PART of what we do, than what we are being paid to do the entire job and then some. Shoot, I could learn to fly a drone over somebody's roof/skyline for those purdy pics! $150 please!

Bottom line: we're not being paid adequately for what we do. But you all knew that already. What's the remedy? Charge for each piece of the job?
 
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i see fees lower then what i got in 1999...and i was paid at the door...there can be no such thing as public trust while these companies are looting :unsure: :rof:
 
Sandra Koutsopoulos said:
...."What a joke of a profession this has become"....
I've been whining to my husband that 'normal' income has passed us by because it seems it's stuck somewhere 10-25 years ago. So I was speculating about the economies of scale, and how one person renting his time for one job at a time has limited his productivity value, whereas if he were getting paid for multiple jobs at the same time, he would make more money. Think dogsitter at the owner's home. Yep, 1 or several dogs there, get paid by that one client for renting them your time per each hour. But how about Doggie Daycare where you take care of 5-10-20 dogs per day for 4/8/12 hours? NOW you're able to multiply your time and charge several ppl for each hour that you were only charging one for before. So now, instead of $20/hour, you've got $100+/hour, $800/day for example, or more.

Which brings me to a solicitation I received yesterday regarding a person offering to take 20-40 photos of my real estate listings for a fee of $150, including the floorplan (Cubi-casa or ???) Hmmm... No report to write? No valuation to come up with and support? No waiting 2-3 months for payment? ...and how often do we take MORE than 40 photos, and include 6-10-21 photos of comparables for possible inclusion in the report. We do more than the RE photographer, and our job takes much longer than the 2 hours the photog probably takes to get there, take photos and toodle off to the next $150 photo shoot. Likely, he shoots 2 to 4 listings per day... $300-$600/day and he's done. The photos are only PART of our job. Well, then there's the measuring... what... 15 minutes to a couple hours, depending on size/complexity etc? A simple typist gets more than $20/hour, and we spend several hours typing. And the thinking and analyzing part takes as long as it takes. Our job is more complex, takes 4-10 times as long, we have huge overhead to maintain our licenses etc, and.... so right there is an example of how other unlicensed ppl without E&O etc are being paid more for doing PART of what we do, than what we are being paid to do the entire job and then some. Shoot, I could learn to fly a drone over somebody's roof/skyline for those purdy pics! $150 please!

Bottom line: we're not being paid adequately for what we do. But you all knew that already. What's the remedy? Charge for each piece of the job?
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MLS fees $1,500. E&O $600. Con ED $500. Software $600. License renewal $200. Printer ink $200. Printer paper $100. Depreciation on your car $2,000. Gas $3,000. And these are just the yearly costs off the top of my head. Add in the countless hours of analysis so you can turn in a good product to the client who in turn will nickel and dime you to death. And when you ask them to increase your fee, they refuse and they tell you that you have the option to leave the panel. I cannot see why anyone new would want to enter this forsaken profession. There is no future here.

The worst thing is that one payment is lumped for the whole appraisal.

Here is how the fee would look like, if this profession was respected.

Form 1004 $550
Subject Photos $125
Subject measurement and sketch $150.
Fuel surcharge $15.

Total $840.

Note to client: If any revision is found to be already in the report, there is an additional $225 fee which will be added to the invoice.

Instead we get $375 or leave the panel you scumbag.
 
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I often wonder how ppl can make it financially, with high cost of housing, other costs rising, and Heaven help you if you aren't young, perky and resilient. It seems to me that the execs at the top are doing awesomely well, but the worker-bees whose efforts create the products that return those nice profits are disregarded, taken for granted, and constantly squeezed for more work with less pay. The majority of humans don't display the drive nor ability to CREATE big things from seeds of ideas; they punch a clock, take orders from others and wait for a paycheck. But perhaps we must all start thinking more creatively in order to be more successful in this life.

Start with an idea: Find a need and fill it. Be the one source of that thing, and increase the volume using the labor of others if that makes sense.

Back in the era of The Black Death that swept through Europe, there was a metamorphosis. The workers had been under the thumb of their Lord, farmed his land for a small share, sewed his clothes, made his wagons, cooked his food etc, and even fought his wars, (or they would lose the 'right' to live in their little shack at the foot of the manor). But then, when the Plague hit, population shrunk, lords were offering more to the serfs to take care of their animals & fallow lands, sew their clothes, cook etc, and so the serfs went, 'Wait a minute! I have SKILLS! I can build my own house, my own business, and have the lord come to ME', plus other ppl I don't have to bend a knee to, and thus towns sprung up, capitalism was nourished, and the lord couldn't "lord it over them" anymore.

As appraisers, we all have SKILLS! Assuming a big bunch of us are unwilling to do even MORE work for even LESS money (3.6), we have to analyze what benefits we can bring to others who will adequately compensate and appreciate us. And since most of us are 'loners' and are not eager to punch a time clock, this could be a metamorphosis for us as well to create better incomes for ourselves by producing new services and products that will be in demand.
 
Sandra Koutsopoulos said:
I often wonder how ppl can make it financially, with high cost of housing, other costs rising, and Heaven help you if you aren't young, perky and resilient. It seems to me that the execs at the top are doing awesomely well, but the worker-bees whose efforts create the products that return those nice profits are disregarded, taken for granted, and constantly squeezed for more work with less pay. The majority of humans don't display the drive nor ability to CREATE big things from seeds of ideas; they punch a clock, take orders from others and wait for a paycheck. But perhaps we must all start thinking more creatively in order to be more successful in this life.

Start with an idea: Find a need and fill it. Be the one source of that thing, and increase the volume using the labor of others if that makes sense.

Back in the era of The Black Death that swept through Europe, there was a metamorphosis. The workers had been under the thumb of their Lord, farmed his land for a small share, sewed his clothes, made his wagons, cooked his food etc, and even fought his wars, (or they would lose the 'right' to live in their little shack at the foot of the manor). But then, when the Plague hit, population shrunk, lords were offering more to the serfs to take care of their animals & fallow lands, sew their clothes, cook etc, and so the serfs went, 'Wait a minute! I have SKILLS! I can build my own house, my own business, and have the lord come to ME', plus other ppl I don't have to bend a knee to, and thus towns sprung up, capitalism was nourished, and the lord couldn't "lord it over them" anymore.

As appraisers, we all have SKILLS! Assuming a big bunch of us are unwilling to do even MORE work for even LESS money (3.6), we have to analyze what benefits we can bring to others who will adequately compensate and appreciate us. And since most of us are 'loners' and are not eager to punch a time clock, this could be a metamorphosis for us as well to create better incomes for ourselves by producing new services and products that will be in demand.
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I thought we were going to get paid for appraisal data and intellectual property data. We not only didn't get paid, we can't even see all the data that was taken (stolen) from us.
 
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