Virgina REAB and Portal Petition

[DWiley]

True digital signatures are not the issue in this discussion - AIReady and similar conversion programs are.

I thought the stated "issue" was unauthorized changes to reports. If so, then true digital signatures should be a large part of the discussion because they are the best solution currently available.

 

[DWiley]

A la mode has had this on the shelf for quite some time. ... My understanding is they did not feel most appraisers would care for it.

I think you will find those statements consistent with my previous response to TJ. As I said to Mr. Biggers about a thousand posts ago, I applaud Alamode's efforts in this area.

... i am a bit baffled at the length some of you go to make sure the rest of us understand that you have negative opinions of them.

What is so baffling? There are plenty of folks in this thread who have gone to great lengths to make sure the world knows they have negative feelings about certain companies.

 

[Mr Rex]

What can I zay? Zome people apparently never read zee actual report

Endorsing something usually includes recommending its use. Can anyone find anywere I have done zat?

I think Zomebody turned it into an endorzement during the conversion process.

 

[Carnivore]

I thought the stated "issue" was unauthorized changes to reports. If so, then true digital signatures should be a large part of the discussion because they are the best solution currently available.

Danny,

There clearly are several aspects to this issue of unauthorized appraisal document changeing.

Appraisal boards could and should identify these types of problems. Once problems are identified they should assess the risk and effect on public trust. If they find the problem is significant, then inform there respective State Legislatures for the need of laws that may be able to deter or solve the problem.

Appraisal boards like other agencies dont operate in a vacum. They have an important role in state government. Who else would inform the State Legislatures of issues that greatly effect the people?

 

[Marcia Langley]

I thought the stated "issue" was unauthorized changes to reports. If so, then true digital signatures should be a large part of the discussion because they are the best solution currently available.

The stated issue was much more than unauthorized changes to reports.

Yes, everyone agrees digital signatures are the best available solution for the recipient to verify that one given leg of a transmission stream has not been tampered with.

I have not seen one poster disagree with you on that. Everyone seems to really like the digital signature. Whether it's worth the cost would depend on what one perceived as the dangers.

But that segment of the process is not in high contention in this thread.

It's what happens before "send" and after "received and ready to be opened" that is the main focus of this conversation.

I know you know that and wonder why you present this as something no one likes when they hear it from you but will suddenly like when their software company offers it.

That's simply not the case.

 

[Workbox]

Why should we be told how to do our jobs? we should be telling them how it should be done! Enough of the these Portals and those that push it, Enough of the AMC's that have been a huge contributor the economic collapse, enough of appraiser form fillers, enough of AI, ASB, TAF etc. and those that are part of the problem, not the solution.

 

[Ken B]

You are kidding me, right?

Name a job which permits complete discretion in the decision how to "do your job."

What your clients are telling you is, if you want to work with us, you will do it this way. Deal with it.

 

[Ken B]

Marcia, you are smarter than this...you know exactly what the "issue" is.

The stated issue was much more than unauthorized changes to reports.

Yes, everyone agrees digital signatures are the best available solution for the recipient to verify that one given leg of a transmission stream has not been tampered with.

I have not seen one poster disagree with you on that. Everyone seems to really like the digital signature. Whether it's worth the cost would depend on what one perceived as the dangers.

But that segment of the process is not in high contention in this thread.

It's what happens before "send" and after "received and ready to be opened" that is the main focus of this conversation.

I know you know that and wonder why you present this as something no one likes when they hear it from you but will suddenly like when their software company offers it.

That's simply not the case.

 

[Joyce Potts]

Marcia, you are smarter than this...you know exactly what the "issue" is.

That's about the most condescending and rude response yet, but not unexpected.

IMO, Marcia's ability to understand and articulate any topic in this Forum leaves you in dust, Mr. Brown.

 

[DWiley]

The stated issue was much more than unauthorized changes to reports.

Actually, the stated issue appears to change as various claims are shown to be false. Only the unstated issue really driving the bus has remained constant.

If people want to fight over who owns the data, then they should do that rather than staging these diversionary battles. Fair warning, anyone who starts waging the data ownership battle will probably not like the outcome. No one reuses other people's data more than appraisers do, and you know what they say about people living in glass houses.

It's what happens before "send" and after "received and ready to be opened" that is the main focus of this conversation.

So what is it specifically that happens 'before "send"' that is a problem? I mean a real problem, not an "it just doesn't feel right" problem.

I have asked many times for someone to provide a specific example of something that must be in a report in order for the report to be meaningful that AIReady cannot handle. So far no one has done that.

As I said earlier, we use AIReady for a small percentage of our reports. We have never had any issue with creating a USPAP compliant appraisal report in AIReady format. But, if someone can find a real issue, I will be first in line fighting to expose the problem.

AIReady is far from perfect. I have sent several suggestions for improving the platform. Like George, I have never used ANY software that was not limiting in some way. Just as using Word, Adobe, Excel, etc. require one to adapt to some degree, so does using AIReady. If people don't want to do that, fine. But claiming an appraiser's lack of desire to learn how to use a certain type of software inherently means that software is noncompliant is just bogus.

As far as after "received and ready to be opened," what could be done other than a digital signature? Once a client gets it there is NOTHING an appraiser can do to prevent it from being changed. Even a digital signature can only reveal the change, not stop it from happening.

A little good news - the GA REAB has amended that ridiculous wording they had proposed.