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Virgina REAB and Portal Petition

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DWiley said:
I can only conclude that you did not bookmark the link and did not think to look for it in post 1227.

I do not know why they link was removed from AP, but I intend to find out.
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I initally tried to bookmark that link. Forsome odd rason it would not let me do it. So I just kept using the link on the sign-in page.

It then disappeared of the AIport page. Anyway, I have the link now bookmarked and its working properly.


Dutchman,

Good point. Fact is reasonable clients make reasonable demands. Sometimes a little educating is all thats needed. Many times the client(and it is always lenders) just dont want to hear it.
 
DWiley said:
I pay for access to lots of data. I buy data from MLS, tnrealestate.com, Courthouse Retrieval Systems, Pulse LLC, et al. I also get “free” data from Nashville.gov, FEMA.gov, etc.

Appraisers take data like that and use it in reports that are sold to clients. Some clients, in turn, take data from appraisers’ reports (with our written permission, I might add) and use it to create things of their own. If that is somehow “stealing,” then appraisers must be thieves as well. Where do we all go to turn ourselves in?

Why is “data mining” acceptable for an appraiser, but not for an appraiser’s client?

When data was taken from those reports that were prepared by Carnivore and Mr. Vining (the ones stored at the Library of Congress) a guard reviewed everything before it could be taken out of the room. If extracting data from those reports was stealing, why did the guard take no action? On second thought maybe I will hold off on turning myself in.
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I don't believe I have ever SOLD a report to a client. I have been PAID a FEE by a client for for my services in rendering an opinion of value. I have used data to reach my conclusions that I PAID for and have a license to use for that stated purpose. I don't believe any of the data-miners have a license to use the data they strip FOR PROFIT - and they certainly aren't paying for it.

As far as your taking of Mr. Vinings and Carnivore's data. Try to use it FOR PROFIT - I think that might land you in front of a judge.

But we digress - the sixty-four thousand dollar questions still remain, and the VA REAB meeting draws near. I look forward to it. Until after the meeting, regards to all.
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Clients?

Bearslide said:
I don't believe I have ever SOLD a report to a client. I have been PAID a FEE by a client for for my services in rendering an opinion of value. I have used data to reach my conclusions that I PAID for and have a license to use for that stated purpose. I don't believe any of the data-miners have a license to use the data they strip FOR PROFIT - and they certainly aren't paying for it.

Dear Bearslide,

Speaking of clients, as a matter of what you "SOLD" to them or what they "PAID a FEE" for have you or anyone reading this post gone to?:

http://www.collateraldna.com/ncdb.htm

and then in the lower right hand corner clicked on "view agreement" or http://www.collateraldna.com/downloads/CDNA_NCDb_Agreement.pdf

Respectfully,

Maverick
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Bearslide said:
As far as your taking of Mr. Vinings and Carnivore's data. Try to use it FOR PROFIT - I think that might land you in front of a judge.
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If you are referring to copyright law, he needs permission to use the depiction, but he can use the data. One cannot "own" data.
 
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Bearslide said:
If you are referring to copyright law, he needs permission to use the depiction, but he can use the data. One cannot "own" data.
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This was posted by Steven, not Bearslide, must be a glitch in the conversion...


Please explain this further?

So it would be fine and dandy to buy ten CD's, copy the best song off of each one to create a super 10 hit CD, burn a million copies and then go resell them, without a penny going back to the artist and all the profits going to the person who did the "datamining". Not only does the artist get their songs stolen from them, but it affects their future sales of their work because they have to compete with the "dataminers" music. Sound familar? I can understand lenders trying to undercut us, but when appraisers do it to each other... I'm just at a loss for words that are printable...
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But you you know TJ, that music is made up of beats, sound, rhythm that are comprised of mathematical calculations set in particular order to produce music. Math can not be owned. :rof: They have no right to that sound, its just Math data. How dare those musicians. :laugh:
 
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This was posted by Steven, not Bearslide, must be a glitch in the conversion...
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Ahh, TJ ......THERE you have it. A "glitch" in the conversion. You MEANT to send one thing, and the software sent something else. It was under your control, you were typing, but somehow what you meant to send was not what was received and relied upon by the reader.

Somewhat like what happens with AIReady conversions, Lighthouse conversions, etc. Which brings us back to the $64,000 questions which remain unanswered. What IS the client actually receiving? WHAT data is it that they are relying on to make loans? Streams of data with factual paragraphs removed? Why is it that no one has been able to produce a report AS RECEIVED BY THE CLIENT? With all these clients listed on appraisalport as wanting AIReady, surely one of them could pony up a report for comparison? The silence on that front is deafening...

Strange that so many appraisers have asked to have copies of their reports AS RECEIVED sent back to them, with no responses. Strange that so many borrowers never receive a copy of the appraisal. Strange that orders for reviews often come with appraisals incomplete, often looking like they were written by 10 different people.

You were able to catch the "glitch" and address it - but how do you correct glitches when you don't know what is actually being received? Despite all the derogatory remarks about PDF, when I sit here and read a PDF I have created, I can see every single thing there and know, with confidence, that what I am sending is what will be received.
 
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