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Virgina REAB and Portal Petition

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Please explain this further?

So it would be fine and dandy to buy ten CD's, copy the best song off of each one to create a super 10 hit CD, burn a million copies and then go resell them, without a penny going back to the artist and all the profits going to the person who did the "datamining".
Who said that?

You said, "burn a million copies." Where did my post say anything about making copies? Nowhere right? So, did I write it badly or did you read it wrongly?

When the copyright office gave Mr. Wiley the information, I don't think they made any copies and I don't think Mr. Wiley has any copies. He just has "data," you know, that stuff that appraisers don't "own."
 
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You said, "burn a million copies." Where did my post say anything about making copies? Nowhere right? So, did I write it badly or did you read it wrongly?

You wrote it quite clearly.
 
You wrote it quite clearly.
Well, while I am on a roll, maybe I should try another. I'd say Mr. Wiley did not "take" data as alleged in post 1552. I'll bet it was given to him by the copyright office. Anyone have a mulberry bush?

The data "stealing" issue just has no legs. It can't be used to criminalize internet portals.
 
If its not such a big deal then FNC and other dataminers they should hire there own photographers and send out passwords to India for MLS Clerical Work to gather the data. Look how well it's working for Zaio?

No one is trying to criminalize the portals, inquiring minds want to know how they really work?
 
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The data "stealing" issue just has no legs. It can't be used to criminalize internet portals.

Agreed. Every time I read through these posts, I find myself wondering where people think this is actually going. It seems a bit like tilting at windmills to me.

Edit to add - in case of confusion, my earlier post meant "you did not write it badly"
 
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Well, while I am on a roll, maybe I should try another. I'd say Mr. Wiley did not "take" data as alleged in post 1552. I'll bet it was given to him by the copyright office

Mr Wiley's own statement (my red) using the word "taken".

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When data was taken from those reports that were prepared by Carnivore and Mr. Vining (the ones stored at the Library of Congress) a guard reviewed everything before it could be taken out of the room.


You're quite right, Mr. Santora. The data-mining issue is of no concern to the VA REAB.

The other questions, however, regarding conversion programs, are a different story. Data-mining keeps coming into this discussion only because it is the same company also involved with the conversion process.
 
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Despite all the derogatory remarks about PDF, when I sit here and read a PDF I have created, I can see every single thing there and know, with confidence, that what I am sending is what will be received.

You might want to check out the thread in the technology section about PDF viewers sometimes not showing the signature. Better yet, refer to your own post #1353 - the one where you said you could not view the PDF I had posted. :)
 
If I buy the "use of data" from MLS and then use it to show you where an opinion comes from, what gives a data miner the right to the "use of the data" that I paid for. If they want to use the same data, shouldn't they also pay for it?

On the banner page the MLS states:

Unauthorized access or use of the MLS database is a violation of RMLS™ Rules and Regulations, the RMLS™ Subscriber and Participant Agreements, and state and federal trade secret and copyright laws. Unauthorized access to the RMLS™ database is also a felony under Oregon criminal law. If you are not authorized to access this database, log off now. If you are authorized to access this database, use it only for authorized purposes, and do not disregard MLS security measures, give out your password, or allow anyone else to access the MLS through you.

I would think that "data mining" constitutes unauthorized access to data since I have not given my permission to FNC to use the data and MLS has not given their permission either. The statement "if you are not authorized to use this database" includes by inference "and the data therein" and the statement "allow anyone else to access the MLS through you" is pretty much self explanatory. I really don't care how many ways this can be parsed, "is is is" or spun , the meaning and intent is very clear. It's their data, I pay for the use and if you want to use it, do just like me and buy it.
 
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If you are referring to copyright law, he needs permission to use the depiction, but he can use the data. One cannot "own" data.


Can I use your quote the next time my local MRIS bills me for access to "their data"...

Or for that matter, Marshall and Swift or my online Flood Mapping Service, they all charge for "their data".
 
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Or the next time First American bills me for access to Metroscan (public data)
 
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