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Wild Fires In LA

Sadie said "They are PLANNING on using the sea water because its better than using nothing"

Seams to me that they are a little late.

That is the difference between diaster response between Florida and CA.
I live in Florida. We do not have a better disaster response. We just got lucky with the last few storms and storm seasons in general lately. There is also a difference wrt prep time from regular people - a hurricane is usually forecast a week or more in advance, giving people time to fee, stay, harden their homes etc.

A wildfire, even though an area might have a season for it, the fire itself erupts suddenly and the window to flee or fight is very short.

I was here in Andrew. If any area in Fl, especially a populated one, got hit now with a Cat 4 and 5 ( Andrew was both,, as storms often are) a storm of that intensity would be even more devesting now due to denser population.
 
Damage was made worse in Andrew by the numerous houses that were ill-built and ill-inspected having no hurricane anchors, roof decks held down by 3 or 4 nails not the 20+ or so mandated. Some inspectors had apparently taken kickbacks. That's on governments, too. I keep watching those inspector videos in Arizona where the guy has been repeatedly drug before the inspection department for complaints from the builders and even other inspectors who rubber stamped inspections where trusses were broken, connector plates missing, shower stalls cracked, window frames cracked, even one window installed upside down...all missed by the city inspector.

The problem in every state (R or D) is that any attempt to create fire breaks, to thin the forest (most forests now have 300-600 trees where a healthy forest has less than 100 trees per acre), and practice real forestry management, is sadly, that they are fought in court by, of all people, Sierra Club, etc. When the Nature Conservancy endorsed control burning, they were treated like pariah by the other mainstream environmental groups. But the NC was right, and to this day, they practice controlled burning. We need to be conservationists, not preservationists, because the hands-off approach to fire management will result in huge conflagrations sooner or later, like Yellowstone in 1988. All these places were selectively burned by nature and by the Indians for thousands of years. In places, Yellowstone burned five foot of forest litter down to bare ground. To try and ignore that is to ignore the very ecology of the forest.

I see they have arrested an arsonist, but I also saw pictures of electric lines whipping in the wind and sending a shower of sparks below. That is a fixable problem. And that is a much better use of money than sponsoring gay parades (like the LA fire dept. did.) $1.7million of the current fire department budget has been set aside for "Equity and Inclusion Staffing." These DEI initiatives got so bad in the past 4 years, I know people who quit Wal-mart and $150k plus bonus jobs in Hdq. because it was against their religion to endorse and promote among their group members gay activities that they were opposed to. One just accountant runs a donut shop now, and said despite the lower income he is much happier, and he doesn't have to pretend what he views as deviant behavior is just grand. Basically, forcing religious people to endorse such behaviors isn't acceptable. Most Christians are tolerant of gays, but that's not the same as requiring them to endorse such, especially when their tax dollars are funding those initiatives. "Queers for Palestine" has to be one of the dumber things I've seen as anyone with have a brain knows homosexuals in Palestine would be stoned to death.

Government has a job. Just do it and ditch the social engineering.
 
I have not read but a few of the post in this thread because there are some truths, untruths and semi truths. I don't blame any one of you.

This article is a pretty good read.


So fire department companies always have trucks that have water they take to a fire. There is a very good reason for it because they can immediately pump water onto a fire. It is limited so they also hook up to any Available Hydrant. In regards to palisades they are apparently at an altitude above San diego . Municipal water is pumped from SD to Palisades. With Electric service out...there would be no water available. The tanks of water in palisades were used up. There was little the Fire Departments could do but get people out of their homes to flee.

Winds were 100mph ..this was supposedly the cause, of electric shorts and sparks causing the fire. That makes sense, but Recent news is apparently it was started by an arsonist.

OK so apparently the US Forest Service helicopters and fixed wing the winds were to high 100mph to safely get the water from nearest reservoir /lakes to use on the fire. I agree with that. Here is a problem I have....the winds died down to 35 mph. I wonder why did they not use those aircraft when the winds died down 35? 35 mph is difficult for small light weight airplanes and not so bad at all for larger helicopters. The advantage of helicopters is you don't need a runway.

I believe the whacky doodle enviromentalist did not want use of the aerial fire tanker aircraft because they viewed it as to risky



So then it was later reported that they were bring 5.000 gal truck tankers fill with pacific ocean salt water to use, Well that's not very good for the enviroment!

I think what happened and its sad, the response went as fast as it could but were outpaced by the high winds.

I don't have all the facts I can only rely on the media,
 
errel L. Shields said:
One just accountant runs a donut shop now, and said despite the lower income he is much happier, and he doesn't have to pretend what he views as deviant behavior is just grand. Basically, forcing religious people to endorse such behaviors isn't acceptable.

What about when the behavior of religious people is deviant?
There are plenty of closet gays, martial cheaters and child molesters among them. Maybe your neighbor, you really don't know.
The Catholic church shielded pedophile priests for decades. The All-American Boy Scouts was a cover for child molestation. I don't; buy your holier-than-thou phony stance, because in real life, people of either party or with or without faith can conduct themselves in all kinds of ways.
 
Damage was made worse in Andrew by the numerous houses that were ill-built and ill-inspected having no hurricane anchors, roof decks held down by 3 or 4 nails not the 20+ or so mandated. Some inspectors had apparently taken kickbacks. That's on governments, too. I keep watching those inspector videos in Arizona where the guy has been repeatedly drug before the inspection department for complaints from the builders and even other inspectors who rubber stamped inspections where trusses were broken, connector plates missing, shower stalls cracked, window frames cracked, even one window installed upside down...all missed by the city inspector.

The problem in every state (R or D) is that any attempt to create fire breaks, to thin the forest (most forests now have 300-600 trees where a healthy forest has less than 100 trees per acre), and practice real forestry management, is sadly, that they are fought in court by, of all people, Sierra Club, etc. When the Nature Conservancy endorsed control burning, they were treated like pariah by the other mainstream environmental groups. But the NC was right, and to this day, they practice controlled burning. We need to be conservationists, not preservationists, because the hands-off approach to fire management will result in huge conflagrations sooner or later, like Yellowstone in 1988. All these places were selectively burned by nature and by the Indians for thousands of years. In places, Yellowstone burned five foot of forest litter down to bare ground. To try and ignore that is to ignore the very ecology of the forest.

I see they have arrested an arsonist, but I also saw pictures of electric lines whipping in the wind and sending a shower of sparks below. That is a fixable problem. And that is a much better use of money than sponsoring gay parades (like the LA fire dept. did.) $1.7million of the current fire department budget has been set aside for "Equity and Inclusion Staffing." These DEI initiatives got so bad in the past 4 years, I know people who quit Wal-mart and $150k plus bonus jobs in Hdq. because it was against their religion to endorse and promote among their group members gay activities that they were opposed to. One just accountant runs a donut shop now, and said despite the lower income he is much happier, and he doesn't have to pretend what he views as deviant behavior is just grand. Basically, forcing religious people to endorse such behaviors isn't acceptable. Most Christians are tolerant of gays, but that's not the same as requiring them to endorse such, especially when their tax dollars are funding those initiatives. "Queers for Palestine" has to be one of the dumber things I've seen as anyone with have a brain knows homosexuals in Palestine would be stoned to death.

Government has a job. Just do it and ditch the social engineering.
The problem is the budget for DEI was relatively small and in some cases, zilch, yet here you guys are, stirring up hate and resentment and fake news about it, as if a minor budget allotment for DEI toward firefighting would have made a material difference

Y'all did the same ugly thing after Helene, online within hours, ginning up hate, making a false claim that storm victims in NC would only get $750 because all the money was spent on immigration. Well, the storm-damaged folks in NC who bought that lie are going to get 100 billion in federal FEMA aid. Which they have no problem taking despite hating "big gobment."
 
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I strongly doubt this event is going to move the political needle in the region. Passions are high now, but all the speculation will be resolved by the time the next election cycle starts.

As for the fire service, they're never going to go back to their previous physical testing standards. Neither will the law enforcement agencies. That's a done deal.
 
the budges for DEI were relatively small
BTW, your spell checker needs some help :) You typing on your phone?

If one dollar, it is taxpayer money, not something that should be spent willy-nilly on a gay parade. Look it up. It's a fact. This is about being a financial sponsor of the parade not merely showing up with a fire truck or two for the parade.
 
That is ridiculous, but we can hold different views. And believing it was "persecution" seems to be an excuse now for unleashing your own persecution.

Again, I think DEI has gone too far. But some of it was needed - white privilege (I am a white female) is so ingrained that white people assume they are always hired on merit, but they/we, too, are hired for a skin color preference - and triple that preference for being a white male. Over the past four years, that shifted a bit, and hey had a taste for the first time, of what it was like to stand in line with everybody else, and they hated it, thus the vitriolic backlash.

Things needed to be re-balanced, and their view prevailed in this election, but they can't stop. Here it is, on thread about a national disaster and tragedy, they are ranting away, not letting it go, mocking any minority who was hired whether true or not, for being incompetent and a DEI hire, and other ugliness.

Sometimes, it seems like the RW white males and their female peers have become professional victims and seem to relish the role.

I can predict that if they continue like that, it will get its own backlash and erase all the progress they made at clawing their way back into a rebalance.
Indeed it is rediculous how far DEI has gone, glad we agree there. I don't relish that I am down the totem pole because of the color of my skin or what is between my legs. Trust me I wish it were not so.
 
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