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ABOLISH and OUTLAW bank owned/affiliated and/or contracted management companies.

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I can guarantee you, HR3837 will never be passed. The chance is zero. It is hard to take seriously comments that display a blatant lack of knowledgeable on what is before congress.

The bill is HR3915. What was once known as HR3837 died when it's language was adopted into HR3915 as an amendment. The bill is currently in a Senate committee. There are many relatively easy ways to keep tract of legislation. Those who feel strongly either way on the subject would do well to keep current. You don't want people to dismiss a valid argument because you used the wrong bill number.

Or because one illiteratly stated something; "lack of knowledgeable, when they should have stated "lack of knowledge", Too much nit picking for people who continue to burn down the trees as they are blocking their veiw of the forest.

This entire thread is about; do you or do not NOT want YOUR work accepted through agency channels, and should AMC"s control the ordering process from birth to death, as the compensation remitted to you is little to nothing with demands to do the work overnight.

If you favor YOUR work being discriminated upon, then you are done with this abolish issue, because you are AOK, with having your appraisals and your right to sign on them as being nothing more than refuse to lenders that refuse your work. Then you can wake up and get that real job, whatever that real job may be.

Personally, I would have liked the job where the Home Depot fired me,and gave me $71,000,000 to leave and never be seen or heard from again
 
Craig, I notice that the title that shows up on the web page is "Real Estate Professionals Free Trade Coalition" while the address is "appraisalunion.org". :unsure: :peace:
 
This entire thread is about; do you or do not NOT want YOUR work accepted through agency channels, and should AMC"s control the ordering process from birth to death, as the compensation remitted to you is little to nothing with demands to do the work overnight.

If you favor YOUR work being discriminated upon, then you are done with this abolish issue, because you are AOK, with having your appraisals and your right to sign on them as being nothing more than refuse to lenders that refuse your work.

This thread is about a specific document that has been presented for comment and a request to sign it.

It is not a thread about taking sides for or against AMCs. Do you realize that most of the posters in this thread would like nothing more than for AMCs to be gone? You act like you think you are talking to a bunch of AMC lovers here. I assure you that is not the case.

If we think the document is fundamentally flawed no amount of cheerleading or inspirational talk or attempts at shaming us will change that. This is more of an acedemic discussion than an emotional one.

It is a false choice to say that one either signs the petition or loves abuse.
 
Edited (removed) because Marcia said it much better above than I did here.

Get over the your with us or against us attitude.
 
Thanks for demonstrating my point, Craig. In editing my post to sound less like a personal attack, I missed changing a word and it has detracted from my message.

I have regular work as a residential appraiser, and I do not take work from AMCs. I did experiment with a couple last year for a total of 13 orders, but they were too annoying. I simply don't work for them. I would think that is true for all who don't like them.

Those that do work for them are approving of them by their actions. Why fight to shut-down the companies for which so many appraisers prefer to work? The several of the largest AMCs are not owned by banks. I'm sure they would gladly accept the work from banks even without an exclusive contract. Abolishing and outlawing bank owned, affiliated or contracted AMCs would not alter the number of appraisals sent through AMCs unless the whole concept of an AMC was abolished. Legislation that would accomplish that without loop holes, would also shut-down any shop with multiple appraisers.

The best clients don't use AMCs. I like having AMCs around to keep others busy and away from the good assignments. It makes it much easier for me since I long ago decided residential appraising doesn't pay enough to be a full-time occupation and I don't have enough time for high competition marketing. However, it does make a nice hobby and I enjoy the work.
 
This thread is about a specific document that has been presented for comment and a request to sign it.

It is not a thread about taking sides for or against AMCs. Do you realize that most of the posters in this thread would like nothing more than for AMCs to be gone? You act like you think you are talking to a bunch of AMC lovers here. I assure you that is not the case.

If we think the document is fundamentally flawed no amount of cheerleading or inspirational talk or attempts at shaming us will change that. This is more of an acedemic discussion than an emotional one.

It is a false choice to say that one either signs the petition or loves abuse.

Then YOU rewrite it, and make it make sense. If what has been written does not make sense to you, but you agree with it in principle, some of it, part of it, all of it - sit down and write it, don't just complain about it - PLEASE

For what it is worth, people are STILL signing my skeleton rendition that Larry Roscoe made the effort to re-write - Make the effort too.
 
Thanks for demonstrating my point, Craig. In editing my post to sound less like a personal attack, I missed changing a word and it has detracted from my message.

I have regular work as a residential appraiser, and I do not take work from AMCs. I did experiment with a couple last year for a total of 13 orders, but they were too annoying. I simply don't work for them. I would think that is true for all who don't like them.

Those that do work for them are approving of them by their actions. Why fight to shut-down the companies for which so many appraisers prefer to work? The several of the largest AMCs are not owned by banks. I'm sure they would gladly accept the work from banks even without an exclusive contract. Abolishing and outlawing bank owned, affiliated or contracted AMCs would not alter the number of appraisals sent through AMCs unless the whole concept of an AMC was abolished. Legislation that would accomplish that without loop holes, would also shut-down any shop with multiple appraisers.

The best clients don't use AMCs. I like having AMCs around to keep others busy and away from the good assignments. It makes it much easier for me since I long ago decided residential appraising doesn't pay enough to be a full-time occupation and I don't have enough time for high competition marketing. However, it does make a nice hobby and I enjoy the work.

Wachovia has an AMC (Greenlink), Countrywide has an AMC (Landsafe), Washington Mutual does (E-Appraiseit). Most big banks have AMC's; they are a profit center. I posted elswhere that Countrywide had their worst month ever in August; a paltry $34,000,000,000 in loan originations; yes 34 BILLION in 30 days, and every loan required an appraisal. What a nice department for Countrywide (landsafe). Exxons profit last year was one hundred million dollars a DAY. In one week, they could buy and pay for the Empire State building, the following week, the Sears tower.

It is not that appraisers prefer to work for these AMC's. In many markets AMC's flat out dominate them. If you attempt to work with any one of several thousand mortgage brokers in say south Florida, for the most part all of those mortgage brokers are running their loans through a dozen or so lenders, most or all of which have AMC's

It is the same in the alcohol business. If you go to a bar, there are hundreds of liquers that you will see. A mere handfull of them in any area are distributed by two or three distributors. There are all but 4 or5 major manufactures that make up about 90 or more percent of those brands that are distributed.

You would be shocked to know how many hundreds of brand names Kraft controls. Actually, I have to re check, but I belive the Altria group owns Kraft

The Altria groups sales were 43 Trillion dollars last year - Yes, TRILLION, not a typo. They own Ben and Jerrys, Breyers, Hagan Daz, nearly every Ice Cream company you have ever heard of. Look up the Altria Group on Wikipedia, their holdings are beyond amazing.

Try to get your product into a major grocery store chain - It is not going to happen, Been there - done it !

The banking industry is pulling it all in, and are accomplishing their objectives of finding cheap hired help, as they are in total control, and said cheap hired help is liable for the crappy reports that they are expected to turn around in a day. You virtually can not approach a mortgage broker, and receive work through any other means.

Big Business and Big Brother, partners in oppressing you, and I.
 
I was asked to comment, so I will, and I won't even be negative this time good.

Good luck on your crusade.:)
 
I think everyone understands your frustration and respects your passion for wanting to make changes for the better.

Most of the posters on this forum demonstrate their passion for this profession everyday here. We all care very much about what is happening. As has been pointed out, many work in various ways to make changes for the better. If no one cared, they wouldn’t respond to this thread.

Many have said they would be willing to sign a petition, but there is language, etc. that makes them not wish to fully support THIS petition. Why not just take the criticism as constructive, work on making those changes and resubmit it for review as you did with this one? Obviously you have not received any takers to rewrite the petition for you, but that shouldn’t stop your commitment, nor should it be construed as lack of caring or commitment, on others part.

You have chosen a huge task, and I think most here applaud your efforts to make changes for the better if not your initial draft. Look at this as a pass through of your harshest critiques. If it passes muster with them, then it should have a chance of getting the results you desire. All anyone is trying to do is give you their feed back and honest opinions of the weakness of your document. If you truly want the support of your colleagues, you should take their comments as constructive.
 
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